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Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: mikemee1331] #1298829 09/09/12 12:48 PM 09/09/12 12:48 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,096 Valencia, España NachoRT74 master
NachoRT74 master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,096 Valencia, España	I think the problems are with newer units, not olders With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: NachoRT74] #1298830 09/09/12 01:14 PM 09/09/12 01:14 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	Quote: I think the problems are with newer units, not olders you are in a better position than most people here to answer that since you tried rebuilding them! did you see any difference?

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: DPelletier] #1298831 09/09/12 05:37 PM 09/09/12 05:37 PM
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SomeCarGuy I Live Here S Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,216 Someplace you aren't	Quote: I (painfully) reread most of the old thread. My observations; - Yes you could get a 40hp increase (maybe) on a 13.1 to 1 race engine over a stock box...of course nobody with such an engine uses a stock box so that's a little misleading IMO. - Another member posted a 5hp increase over his MSD6Al - I can believe that. - Dave Dudek got a 16rwhp increase over a stock orange box on his Purestock Hemi 'Bee. I'm assuming that Mr. D doesn't intend to field a loser so I expect his engine to be in the 600hp (gross flywheel) range All that having been said, there is no way that you'll see anywhere near 50hp bolting a Rev-n-ator in place of a functioning factory box on your basic street engine. I don't think it's a bad product; in fact I'm thinking of getting one for my Purestock 440-6 'Bee but I don't expect to see any huge gains...maybe 5-10hp which would be just fine. Dave Careful now, I posted pretty much the same stuff and they got pretty upset. There was no external validation and all of the backup appeared to be from within a circle taht included people in the supply chain. I'm all for having new and improved products, but to throw out some of the claims so loosely, it caught my eye as snake oil. I'm glad others have validated the product, but that does not change the fact it was touted as a miracle to begin with and the power of the motor matters. I want my fair share

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1298832 09/09/12 09:33 PM 09/09/12 09:33 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,238 Nevada D dezduster pro stock
dezduster pro stock D Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,238 Nevada	Appriciation is hard to come by here on this little site known as moparts. SO, Dunnuck Racing THANK YOU for your efforts in testing,proving and being vigilant in the acuracy of your information of the REV-N-ATOR. Much recources spent surely. Dave Dudek you didnt have to post your findings, you could have choose to keep that as your little extra.It validated through a second independant and respectd source. Thank You To the R/T Garage- Troy and Laura Martinson THANK YOU FOR ENDURING THE CONSTANT questioning and critisism. Congrats to a fine product proven. To further prove your product and increase your sales get one to Eberger at Mopar Action let him test it. People dont always like what he says or agree with him but his technical advice is respected. oh and enjoy the Last edited by dezduster; 09/20/12 10:39 PM.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: mikemee1331] #1298833 09/09/12 10:39 PM 09/09/12 10:39 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,096 Valencia, España NachoRT74 master
NachoRT74 master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,096 Valencia, España	Quote: Quote: I think the problems are with newer units, not olders you are in a better position than most people here to answer that since you tried rebuilding them! did you see any difference? need to find good quality transistors... the ones I found are chinesse junk, and only worked to discard where it weas the fail, what it prooved the fail was there. Actually after get the Rev-N-Nator, left on a side the testing of more transistors, but will try to work on that again With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: dezduster] #1298834 09/10/12 12:23 AM 09/10/12 12:23 AM
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Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Quote: .... get one to Eberger at Mopar Muscle let him test it. People dont always like what he says or agree with him but his technical advice is respected. Whoa... DOUBLE insult! He writes for Mopar ACTION

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Kern Dog] #1298835 09/17/12 01:11 AM 09/17/12 01:11 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence
Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	I didn't know that Rick E was peddling his own ECM. Does anyone have feedback on those?

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Kern Dog] #1298836 09/17/12 02:41 PM 09/17/12 02:41 PM
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440Kilmartin member 4 Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 57 CT	one is install on my car. runs great. easily adjustable rev limiter. great for a stick car. built in tach for setting full advanced by your self. nice and clean. no extras wires for msd junk.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: 440Kilmartin] #1298837 09/17/12 03:22 PM 09/17/12 03:22 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA Montclaire master
Montclaire master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA	I don't have one yet but I will probably buy one. I really wish they offered a version without the LED readout that would just use the MSD "pills." I have to assume that since you select the rev limit on install when powered, that if your batt goes dead or is disconnected, you have to reset every time. With the pills the difference from stock appearance would be very, very small, and if the car went unpowered there would be no issue.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Montclaire] #1298838 09/17/12 04:22 PM 09/17/12 04:22 PM
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Dunnuck Racing master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Once you set your limit,you are good to go. There is no power to the box with the key off,but it remembers Your settings . You could pull a battery cable off or unplug the unit if you wanted to. Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Montclaire] #1298839 09/18/12 06:36 PM 09/18/12 06:36 PM
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440Kilmartin member 4 Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 57 CT	I disconnect my battery at night . And the box always "remembers" the setting.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Montclaire] #1298840 09/19/12 02:02 AM 09/19/12 02:02 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,096 Valencia, España NachoRT74 master
NachoRT74 master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,096 Valencia, España	Quote: I have to assume that since you select the rev limit on install when powered, that if your batt goes dead or is disconnected, you have to reset every time. nope... keeps in place With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1298841 09/19/12 02:04 AM 09/19/12 02:04 AM
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NachoRT74 master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,096 Valencia, España	Quote: There is no power to the box with the key off,but it remembers Your settings . exactly... to the box, turn off the key is the same than disconect the batt With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Kern Dog] #1298842 09/20/12 02:54 AM 09/20/12 02:54 AM
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Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	I just ordered one tonight. Earlier today I spoke with the owner on the phone. He was really friendly and is excited about the product. I like this. Even though the unit costs a bit more than I expected, I feel good that it is going to a business that has passion for what they do. I was told that in some cases, the box may not play well with the vacuum advance system. He said that since the Rev box uses digital circuitry, it responds a little differently when the timing changes with vacuum advance. He suggested either a trial and error with different adjustments within the vacuum cannister OR just plugging it off. From what I recall of the printed words of Rick Ehrenberg, I'm leaning toward keeping the vac advance functional as best that I can to maintain the best street performance. I'll report back once I get the Rev box and have a chance to compare.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Kern Dog] #1298843 09/20/12 10:42 AM 09/20/12 10:42 AM
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Montclaire master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA	Quote: I was told that in some cases, the box may not play well with the vacuum advance system. He said that since the Rev box uses digital circuitry, it responds a little differently when the timing changes with vacuum advance. He suggested either a trial and error with different adjustments within the vacuum cannister OR just plugging it off. Well, I don't like that. Is this where the difference in HP gains is coming from, combinations of vac advance? I am guessing any dyno'd runs are probably plugged, as well as any race cars. I am leaning back towards a stock box after hearing this, but the HP gains are hard to pass up... Last edited by Montclaire; 09/20/12 10:51 AM.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Montclaire] #1298844 09/20/12 11:06 AM 09/20/12 11:06 AM
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DynoDave master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,704 MICHIGAN	Since dyno runs would be at WOT, and 0 inches of vacuum, I would not think the vacuum advance would have any impact on peak HP/TQ numbers. It could effect economy or part throttle/cruise performance. Was there any definition of what they meant by "doesn't play well"? Is it taking timing back out when it sees the vacuum advance try to run it up for economy? Does this lead to surging at cruise/part throttle driving? DynoDave Walter P. Chrysler Club - Great Lakes Region Member # 12304 1970 Plymouth Duster 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye https://wichargerguy.proboards.com/ 1977 Chrysler Cordoba

Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... NOW installed ,REPORT: [Re: DynoDave] #1298845 09/20/12 03:15 PM 09/20/12 03:15 PM
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Kern Dog OP Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	The man said that the reluctor gap moves around during mechanical and vacuum advance. The Rev box responds to the changes. Having the gap change in 2 instances can confuse the ECM and cause timing to bounce around. I told him that I have a MP distrubutor as part of an electronic conversion package and that my vacuum can was adjustable. He offers a 1 year warranty, which is simply unheard of with electronic parts. I think that it is worth a try. Over the last 3 years, I wiped 2 orange boxes and went with a used ECM from a pile I had. Call me naive, but I didnt know that there was that much of a difference in spark boxes. My understanding was that the Chrome and Orange ECMs were supposed to be of benefit only in the sky high RPMs, which I don't see. I run the mill up to 5800-5900. The testing of this unit showed that it provides gains everywhere in the RPM range. I was specially impressed with the consistancy as compared to the cheapest ECM which faltered in the 3000-4000 range. THAT is the range that should be noticeable. I dont drag race the car, but I might. It is a street car with a greater emphasis on cornering and handling. Mid range performance is my greatest interest. Last edited by Frankenduster; 10/02/12 10:42 PM.

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Kern Dog] #1298846 09/20/12 03:47 PM 09/20/12 03:47 PM
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NachoRT74 master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,096 Valencia, España	Is true that the gap moves around with the vacuum. That happens because the diff ratius built into the distributor. The reluctor is perfectly centered, so the circle gets the ratio from center. The pickup coil is on a baseplate with different center than reluctor, so the ratio draws diff is simply and basic geometry If you adjust incorrectly the gap, you can even BITE the reluctor when vacuum is working, depending on how much advance you apply. THE ONLY SOLUTION IS... play with the pickup coil position, bending the bracket here and there untill get the SMALLER VARIATION AS POSIBLE. I made it, and got .009 with vacuum off and 0.007 with vacuum activated. That was way before I adjusted the vacuum action with the 3/32" Hex key, what it was really big. Now I shortened the vacuum action travel, I guess I must be in .009" off and .008 on, or MAYBE still the same .009 With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: NachoRT74] #1298847 09/22/12 05:13 PM 09/22/12 05:13 PM
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DynoDave master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,704 MICHIGAN	Thanks guys. I get it. DynoDave Walter P. Chrysler Club - Great Lakes Region Member # 12304 1970 Plymouth Duster 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye https://wichargerguy.proboards.com/ 1977 Chrysler Cordoba

Re: Rev-n-nator ignition boxes.... Anyone tried them? [Re: Kern Dog] #1298848 09/22/12 05:40 PM 09/22/12 05:40 PM
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mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	Quote: I just ordered one tonight. Earlier today I spoke with the owner on the phone. He was really friendly and is excited about the product. I like this. Even though the unit costs a bit more than I expected, I feel good that it is going to a business that has passion for what they do. I was told that in some cases, the box may not play well with the vacuum advance system. He said that since the Rev box uses digital circuitry, it responds a little differently when the timing changes with vacuum advance. He suggested either a trial and error with different adjustments within the vacuum cannister OR just plugging it off. From what I recall of the printed words of Rick Ehrenberg, I'm leaning toward keeping the vac advance functional as best that I can to maintain the best street performance. I'll report back once I get the Rev box and have a chance to compare. please do report back. alot of guys are very interested but have little feedback aside from 'works great'.

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