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roll cage ? #1292104 08/26/12 11:29 PM 08/26/12 11:29 PM
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moparmafia OP mopar M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 568 Ky	I was checking on the price for a rollcage and a 10 point moly cage installed by a professional is going to run 2250. i have never had a cage put in but price seems kinda steep. also is it worth the extra cost vs. mild steel. it is going in a roadrunner.

Re: roll cage ? [Re: moparmafia] #1292105 08/26/12 11:46 PM 08/26/12 11:46 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: I was checking on the price for a rollcage and a 10 point moly cage installed by a professional is going to run 2250. i have never had a cage put in but price seems kinda steep. also is it worth the extra cost vs. mild steel. it is going in a roadrunner. Yes it worth it if you want a light car... if he is suppling the moly tubing and bending it that is not far off.... have you tried buying moly tubing.. that stuff is crazy on price

Re: roll cage ? [Re: moparmafia] #1292106 08/26/12 11:46 PM 08/26/12 11:46 PM
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EchoSixMike mopar E Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 494 IL	That's a good deal if it's 8.50 cert. Normally closer to $3k. S/F....Ken M

Re: roll cage ? [Re: EchoSixMike] #1292107 08/27/12 12:06 AM 08/27/12 12:06 AM
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moparmafia OP mopar M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 568 Ky	Yes he said it will certify to 8.50 plus he always adds two extra bars in with it. I want the car to be light as possible but was thinking maybe mild steel and spend the extra money elsewhere.

Re: roll cage ? [Re: moparmafia] #1292108 08/27/12 12:21 AM 08/27/12 12:21 AM
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Just-a-dart pro stock J Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,454 Glendora Ca.	My do the 4130 tube now or you will wish you had later. "Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"

Re: roll cage ? [Re: moparmafia] #1292109 08/27/12 12:28 AM 08/27/12 12:28 AM
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jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	just curious if you priced the three different materials. EWS, DOM and moly. seems to me the DOM isn't exactly inexpensive and imho i wouldn't invest the labor installing EWS tubing. a lot of people will mig mild steel but personally i think everything should be tigged

Re: roll cage ? [Re: jamesc] #1292110 08/27/12 04:21 AM 08/27/12 04:21 AM
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LA360 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,145 Melbourne , Australia	Quote: just curious if you priced the three different materials. EWS, DOM and moly. seems to me the DOM isn't exactly inexpensive and imho i wouldn't invest the labor installing EWS tubing. a lot of people will mig mild steel but personally i think everything should be tigged I always look at the mild steel bar work in cars and wonder why they didn't TIG weld it. MIG welds look like crap IMO, I've spent the extra $$$ and bought 4130 tubing for my car. It will help with re-sale later on. Alan Jones

Re: roll cage ? [Re: LA360] #1292111 08/27/12 08:54 AM 08/27/12 08:54 AM
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EchoSixMike mopar E Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 494 IL	Nothing structually wrong with MIG and DOM, it's just that a lot of people doing things poorly do it that way. All the roundy round stuff is MIG/DOM; as is most road race stuff. TIG has a higher cost of entry and requires more skill, and everybody knows it. So the entry level guys go MIG and get in over their head. IMO, a lot of the issues with MIG are guys trying to be cheap with 115v units and lack of practice/experience. S/F...Ken M Last edited by EchoSixMike; 08/27/12 08:57 AM.

Re: roll cage ? [Re: EchoSixMike] #1292112 08/27/12 10:00 AM 08/27/12 10:00 AM
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408strokerdart master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West	Price seems fair to me. Go moly from the start and you won't kick yourself later. You can always spend the coin somewhere else later....you can't easily install a new cage.

Re: roll cage ? [Re: 408strokerdart] #1292113 08/27/12 10:27 AM 08/27/12 10:27 AM
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tubtar master Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,082 St. Paul , Mn.	That is a bargain for a moly cage installed. I'd be green lighting that project a.s.a.p. before he changes his mind or the price of materials goes up again.

Re: roll cage ? [Re: tubtar] #1292114 08/27/12 12:13 PM 08/27/12 12:13 PM
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earthmover top fuel E Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,449 nc	what is the weight diff. between the 2 ?????say 2' of dom and 2' of moly...

Re: roll cage ? [Re: earthmover] #1292115 08/27/12 01:56 PM 08/27/12 01:56 PM
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6PKRTSE master 6 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,569 Motor City	Seems like a fair price to me. My 25.5 was alot cheaper than that but that was with myself & some buddies doing it ourselves & I bought/supplied the tubing. Don't know the weight difference overall. But I remember when one of my buddies went from a mild steel 10 point cage to a moly 25.5 cage his car was still almost 50 lbs lighter with the new cage & more bars. 1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.

Re: roll cage ? [Re: moparmafia] #1292116 08/27/12 03:20 PM 08/27/12 03:20 PM
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SCATPACK 1 pro stock S Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,505 TN	Quote: I was checking on the price for a rollcage and a 10 point moly cage installed by a professional is going to run 2250. i have never had a cage put in but price seems kinda steep. also is it worth the extra cost vs. mild steel. it is going in a roadrunner. My brother was quoted over $2000 just to complete the front section of his car (road runner). I thought that was high. I would think a full cage for $2500 would be a good price. Good luck Old Geezer Racing

Re: roll cage ? [Re: moparmafia] #1292117 08/27/12 03:38 PM 08/27/12 03:38 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Size for size the weight difference between ERW, DOM, and moly is negligible. The weight difference is due to the difference in strength - you can use smaller and thinner wall tubing with Moly verses the other two and still have the same strength rating. With a 10 - 12 point cage, the weight difference would probably be in the 30 lb range. Obviously, the more tubing you use, the greater the weight savings would be - if you went with Moly. Strength ( by itself ) isn't really an issue ether. You have to meet the sanctioning bodies spec, no matter what you use. I'm not advocating one over the other. When I built my cage, I went with DOM. I mig'ed it. Dispite what others my say, IMO, Strength and quality of the work is mostly due to the person doing the work, not the type of welder or tubing used. Since I am the driver, I had a vested interest in doing it right. I also went in to my project with plenty of welding experience ( both mig and tig ). 7352856-rollcagebracing.jpg (51 downloads) Fastest 300

Re: roll cage ? [Re: Crizila] #1292118 08/27/12 03:45 PM 08/27/12 03:45 PM
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jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	just curious if that cage has been certified. unless i misunderstand the rulebook (distinct possibility) the hoop crossbar is not supposed to be above the door sidebar

Re: roll cage ? [Re: jamesc] #1292119 08/27/12 05:16 PM 08/27/12 05:16 PM
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Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: just curious if that cage has been certified. unless i misunderstand the rulebook (distinct possibility) the hoop crossbar is not supposed to be above the door sidebar " not above the drivers shoulders OR side bar". I took that to mean if it is not above the drivers shoulders, being above the cross bar was ok. My cage went in a mid 11 second car that will end up being a mid 10 second car ( if I'm lucky ). The car will never see 9 seconds. The cage is not certified, and never will be. Fastest 300

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