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Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: bb489ss] #1287333 08/18/12 06:42 PM 08/18/12 06:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 28 B bb489ss OP member
bb489ss OP member B Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 28	It is the 241 @ .050", 484 lift hydraulic. And yes, this shop had about 5 different muscle cars that they were working on, plus mine. They have been around for a while and were even on Garage TV at one time. But they won't be seeing me anymore i can tell you that!

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: bb489ss] #1287334 08/18/12 06:48 PM 08/18/12 06:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,934 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,934 Grand Prairie,Texas	Add anorther 12* of timing at idle with the vacuum advance disconnected and I'll bet you'll be happy. You might want to invest in a dialback timing light instead of another timing tape. They aren't all that expensive and are very useful.

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: bb489ss] #1287335 08/18/12 07:03 PM 08/18/12 07:03 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,314 Prospect, PA BSB67 master
BSB67 master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,314 Prospect, PA	Quote: It is the 241 @ .050", 484 lift hydraulic. And yes, this shop had about 5 different muscle cars that they were working on, plus mine. They have been around for a while and were even on Garage TV at one time. But they won't be seeing me anymore i can tell you that! There are two versions of that cam...which one did you get?

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: BSB67] #1287336 08/18/12 07:13 PM 08/18/12 07:13 PM
Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 28 B bb489ss OP member
bb489ss OP member B Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 28	I got the original version with the 108 LSA. I also read several places that a dial back timing light isn't accurate with the MSD because of the multiple spark discharge. I do have one though. Maybe I'll give it a try. I just removed all of the plugs and I found it strange that all of the plugs in cylinders 1,3,5 and 7 were fouled and all of the plugs in cylinders 2,4,6 and 8 looked good. Whats going on there? Also I found the wire on cylinder 6 that the geniuses put on right snug up against the header pipe and burned all the way down to the nylon braiding. And on and on it goes.....

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: bb489ss] #1287337 08/18/12 09:20 PM 08/18/12 09:20 PM
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 4,220 West Plains, MO DrCharles master
DrCharles master Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 4,220 West Plains, MO	Quote: I found it strange that all of the plugs in cylinders 1,3,5 and 7 were fouled and all of the plugs in cylinders 2,4,6 and 8 looked good. Whats going on there? Take a good look at the intake sealing on the driver's side, especially between the valley pan and the head. Sounds like it's sucking in oil (and air) on all four of those intake ports, which would also explain the poor idle

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: DrCharles] #1287338 08/19/12 01:14 AM 08/19/12 01:14 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 843 Suffolk,VA I ireland383 super stock
ireland383 super stock I Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 843 Suffolk,VA	Quote: Quote: I found it strange that all of the plugs in cylinders 1,3,5 and 7 were fouled and all of the plugs in cylinders 2,4,6 and 8 looked good. Whats going on there? Take a good look at the intake sealing on the driver's side, especially between the valley pan and the head. Sounds like it's sucking in oil (and air) on all four of those intake ports, which would also explain the poor idle Yeah, it sounds like your jacked up on one side of your intake.

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: ireland383] #1287339 08/19/12 09:09 AM 08/19/12 09:09 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	Why are there so many stories like this from "performance shops" do you personally know the people who work at or own this shop? Who told you to go to them? as previously asked...what IS their experience working on old carb'd engines? I can't believe a shop would tell you that you DON'T want to degree in a cam and then not do it after you asked them to. They probably told you what they did because they don't have anyone there that knows how to degree a cam. Makes you wonder if they did the proper cam break in or not? 20 minutes at 2000 rpm. I would call them and ask, if they didn't, I would go do it yourself now before you let that engine idle anymore. you could have a wiped lobe in your future if you don't. Where do you live? maybe you can find a member here who can stop by to help you out? Photobucket sucks

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: 70Cuda383] #1287340 08/19/12 09:25 AM 08/19/12 09:25 AM
Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 28 B bb489ss OP member
bb489ss OP member B Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 28	Good News! I got the car timed correctly last night at 38 total and 22 initial and she is running pretty strong! I definatley think I can use a bigger converter (current is 2400) to help with idle in gear, but I am suprised that the bottom end is still pretty good and when I drop it in to second the car pulls noticably stronger than the Comp XE 268 I had in there does. I still have some carb tuning to do but all in all I think I'm on the right track now. Now I need you all to recommend a good converter for my application as this will be my next purchase once I get the carb tuned.

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: bb489ss] #1287341 08/19/12 10:27 AM 08/19/12 10:27 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada Dodgem master
Dodgem master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	Degreeing the cam in with a little extra advance would have help some to then a nice 2800/3000 stall. You may need a little more idle advance yet around 30 so lighter dizzy advance springs may be in order. Yo can turn it up to 30 initial and that is 46 total to play with idle and in gear idle to see what it needs don't drive till you turn it back to 38 total! Last edited by Dodgem; 08/19/12 10:28 AM.

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: Dodgem] #1287342 08/19/12 12:36 PM 08/19/12 12:36 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,431 Dandridge TN D Dabee master
Dabee master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,431 Dandridge TN	Quote: Degreeing the cam in with a little extra advance would have help some to then a nice 2800/3000 stall. I had the same cam in the 440 I had in my 69 Bee. That cam doesn�t make good power until 3200 RPM and above. I would go with a good 3200 to 3400 stall converter. I had a 2000 rpm stall in mine for a while and the car was a real dog until 32000 rpm then it was hold on. I put a 3400 stall in it and it became a beast off the line.

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: Dodgem] #1287343 08/19/12 12:36 PM 08/19/12 12:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	glad it's running better. I'd pull the plugs again and see if you have the same issues. I'd also change the oil and filter, then I'd call them and demand some money back or you'll bad mouth the shop every chance you get. Also get about 18* initial and 38* total and it should run good. As for Convert a 3000-3200 should work pretty good.

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: Dabee] #1287344 08/19/12 12:40 PM 08/19/12 12:40 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada Dodgem master
Dodgem master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	I had the same cam in the 440 I had in my 69 Bee. That cam doesn�t make good power until 3200 RPM and above. I would go with a good 3200 to 3400 stall converter. I had a 2000 rpm stall in mine for a while and the car was a real dog until 32000 rpm then it was hold on. I put a 3400 stall in it and it became a beast off the line. 32000 RPM russ it's not a jolly Green turbine! Canadian

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: Dodgem] #1287345 08/19/12 12:57 PM 08/19/12 12:57 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,431 Dandridge TN D Dabee master
Dabee master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,431 Dandridge TN	Quote: I had the same cam in the 440 I had in my 69 Bee. That cam doesn�t make good power until 3200 RPM and above. I would go with a good 3200 to 3400 stall converter. I had a 2000 rpm stall in mine for a while and the car was a real dog until 32000 rpm then it was hold on. I put a 3400 stall in it and it became a beast off the line. 32000 RPM russ it's not a jolly Green turbine! Canadian ops one to many 0000s

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: Dabee] #1287346 08/19/12 02:36 PM 08/19/12 02:36 PM
Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 28 B bb489ss OP member
bb489ss OP member B Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 28	So I figure stall converter of 3000-3400 then? Which brand should I go with? Are there specific converters for the Mopar 727 trans?

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: bb489ss] #1287347 08/19/12 04:32 PM 08/19/12 04:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	I had that cam in my old 383 Dart. It was a very mild 383 with 9.5 comp and 452 heads with mild porting I put the cam in at 104 installed centerline. The car had a Turbo Action tight 3000 converter and 3.91's. Eddy RPM intake and 750 DP. It ran very good with a best et of 12.31 @ 110. Good luck with yours and glad to hear you got it running good. Ron

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: 383man] #1287348 08/20/12 12:35 AM 08/20/12 12:35 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada Dodgem master
Dodgem master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	Quote: I had that cam in my old 383 Dart. It was a very mild 383 with 9.5 comp and 452 heads with mild porting I put the cam in at 104 installed centerline. The car had a Turbo Action tight 3000 converter and 3.91's. Eddy RPM intake and 750 DP. It ran very good with a best et of 12.31 @ 110. Good luck with yours and glad to hear you got it running good. Ron yea get a good 3000 maybe talk to John Cope he sells PTC and they are good https://www.coperacingtrans.com/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=a47b579864b6fe200757837f2a6ed2ad ultimate or dynamic but trust us don't save 200 and be sorry later! and if its a little off buy the stuff and degree the cam up a bit over the winter if it needs one last tweek! 104 i agree

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: bb489ss] #1287349 08/20/12 01:05 AM 08/20/12 01:05 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado 451Mopar master
451Mopar master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	As mentioned, the 284/0.484 cam is not a good match for your combination, and I would not use a shop that does not degree in the cam, otherwise there is no good way the verify it's installed correctly.

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: 451Mopar] #1287350 08/20/12 01:34 AM 08/20/12 01:34 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	They can't be much of a performance shop if they don't degree in a cam when installing. Quite frankly, I am amazed that you don't have wiped cam lobes on your hands (yet). Not trying to bash you or anything, but now that you're on moparts, come on here for advice and suggestions first before pulling the trigger on buying parts and taking to a shop. I don't think anybody on here would have recommended the old 284/484. There are so many better cams out there these days.

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1287351 08/20/12 10:15 AM 08/20/12 10:15 AM
Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 51 Texas C ChristianCuda member
ChristianCuda member C Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 51 Texas	Even though the problem is fixed can't believe the timing was truly that far off. Makes me wonder if the outer ring on the balancer has slipped or if they lost the woodruff key between the crank and balancer and the friction between the bolt, balancer and crank is keeping it there. If the ring slipped that probably why the timing tape was there in the first place. Since the 383 is internally balanced not a huge issue until the ring slips off and goes through the radiator. I would check these couple of things when I get a chance if I were you just to be sure sounds like shoddy work and I just don't trust anything touch by a shoddy mechanic and if I find one thing wrong I go through everything they touched. BTW the centerline in my 509 cam in my 383 was off from the get go had to degree it into get it on the right centerline then advanced it a bit for a better setup.

Re: Need 383 help BAD! [Re: bb489ss] #1287352 08/20/12 10:46 AM 08/20/12 10:46 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,431 Dandridge TN D Dabee master
Dabee master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,431 Dandridge TN	Quote: So I figure stall converter of 3000-3400 then? Which brand should I go with? Are there specific converters for the Mopar 727 trans? Call PTC and give them your engine/cam specs and they will set you up with the proper convertor for your combo.

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