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Firm Feel sector support kit. #1274755
07/27/12 02:24 AM
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Had to take my box to Dick to fix a leaky seal on the sector (cross) shaft. Since the pitman nut had to come off, might as well get the kit.
Pick up my box (manual) and the rest of the kit.

Directions are sparse, but plain enough. They do state to check EVERYTHING else on your steering system to assure that this isn't simply to cover some other problem up. 'Nuff said.

First thing is to mock it up and see where to drill the holes in the K-frame rail. Now, I don't know about your K-frame, but mine apparently is not a factory-perfect example, even though I had Firm Feel gusset and weld it up and check it. The k-frame does curve and the bracket is flat. Additionally, the k-frame flanges are not super-wide, so positioning the bracket to fit best is limited. This pic shows how the holes ended up where mine fit best, and even then the bracket required some massaging. Enough meat on the one near the edge, and the other one has barely enough on the other side for the washer on the bolt.

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Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: MoparMarq] #1274756
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This is how the bolts look coming out the bottom side of the k-frame. Clearly the curvature is apparent here.

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Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: MoparMarq] #1274757
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Here is where it gets interesting. After drilling the holes (I checked the locations twice), the curvature of the k-frame and the angle of the bracket with respect to the axis of the sector shaft combine make for a slight problem. The directions state that the bearing can be swiveled in the housing slightly to compensate for any slight lack of perpendicularity of the bracket to the sector shaft, but this looked a little extreme to me. So I had to massage the bracket a bit to get the correct angle. Additionally,I had to slot the holes slightly to get the sector shaft nut centered over the bearing.

My lack of brake or a decent vise (since my workbench has not built itself yet) necessitated the use of a couple pair of vise grips.

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Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: MoparMarq] #1274758
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In this pic, you can see the curvature I attempted to put into the bracket to minimize the installation warping when torqued down onto the k-frame. Not pretty, but at least it's under the car.

7309579-SectorShaft_4.jpg (409 downloads)
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By this point, my back was getting sore from all the vise grip pulling and tweaking, so I called it good and depended on the slight bearing race/bearing retainer sphericity (is that a word?) to adjust the bearing to perpendicularity to the sector shaft. You can still see the off-kilter of the bearing to the retainer. Fortunately, the bearing itself fits snugly on the sector shaft nut, so keeps itself aligned that way. I was able to check its fit fairly easily by rotating the inner race around the sector shaft nut before tightening the set screws to assure that there wasn't any off-axis load on the bearing.

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Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: MoparMarq] #1274760
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Done and car back on its wheels. (Cotter pins have been installed where they were missing in earlier pics.) The support is slightly lower than the oil pan, about even with the small aftermarket skid plate on the k-frame. Not as low as the headers, but not nearly as far back either, so shouldn't be a worry. Set screws are facing aft to avoid being boogered up by rocks.

How does it drive? I don't know. About this time, my 6 year old fell off her scooter and was having a meltdown about needing a band-aid on a scrape that wasn't even bleeding. Another reason this car is 8 years in restoration... (I've got an 8 year old, too.)

Sorry, should have mentioned before: '72 Road Runner.

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Re: Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: MoparMarq] #1274761
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Thanks for posting this MoparMarq.

I must admit...this thing looks nothing like what I expected. Pictures are worth a thousand words.


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Re: Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: MoparMarq] #1274762
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Quote:

Done and car back on its wheels. (Cotter pins have been installed where they were missing in earlier pics.) The support is slightly lower than the oil pan, about even with the small aftermarket skid plate on the k-frame. Not as low as the headers, but not nearly as far back either, so shouldn't be a worry. Set screws are facing aft to avoid being boogered up by rocks.

How does it drive? I don't know. About this time, my 6 year old fell off her scooter and was having a meltdown about needing a band-aid on a scrape that wasn't even bleeding. Another reason this car is 8 years in restoration... (I've got an 8 year old, too.)

Sorry, should have mentioned before: '72 Road Runner.





I feel your pain. I too have a 71 RR and installed mine several months ago. Not a simple bolt on. The car didn't feel any different.

Re: Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: dart4forte] #1274763
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The car didn't feel any different.




I think even Eburg said this wasn't a mod that was going to get a big "seat of the pants" improvement thumbs up, but rather would help minimize other deflection problems when pushed to the limit with big tire and aggressive alignments.

Re: Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: MoparMarq] #1274764
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I have a spare K member that I welded up several months back. I added the gussets to reinforce the steering box mounts, but have been lazy in doing the k member swap. This sounds like a decent alternative for many people.

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Re: Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: Kern Dog] #1274765
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Thanks for posting that. I was considering this as an upgrade option on my 72' charger plus k-member mods. I have a spare k-member and was going to weld and reinforce it with some FFI parts (fast ratio arm, Stage II box, lower control arm pins) to really help it out. By the discription and requirements of my car, this isn't the part for me. Still, very cool to have that option if your don't/can't pull your k-member.

Re: Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: MoparMarq] #1274766
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This whole deal was my idea / design so I guess I should take any barbs. OK!

If you look at how far the sector shaft is cantilevered below the lower bearing, the stock setup basically has to impart lots of stress on the chuck mount. Of course, you can reduce this with gusseting, but even the shaft itself has some flex. The new 3rd bearing cuts that to near zero.

As far as fitment, the K isn't a precision piece, esp. at the pinch-weld area. But a few flatwashers under one or the other end of the bracket (sandwiched) will get everything where it needs to be. The pillow-block-style bearing will self-align - no binding.

The 2 cars I installed the prototypes on went from very visible chuck movement (PS, engine at idle, wheels on ground, turning s/ wheel to and fro about 6") to virtually zero. And it bolts on in 15 minutes.

Rick

Re: Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #1274767
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Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: jcc] #1274768
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Re: Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: jcc] #1274769
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I think you are not understanding Ricks observations, the entire #ucking box moves .100+ " at the lower sector, not just the sector shaft by its self. When the center link only moves 6" +/- that amounts to a lot of drift in the steering. The sector support stops about 90% of the flex the box has at the sector..... These numbers are approximate depending on tire size and wheel alignment.

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Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: jcc] #1274771
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Every mopar product I have ever owned has had the box flex and some bearing slop, this fixes the problem with little modifications to the system. The offroad guys that have jeeps like mine are doing the same thing. It works and people want to argue with it. Tim

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Re: Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: jcc] #1274773
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This is the first i have heard of bearing slop and that it needs to be corrected. I'll wait and see what others say about this iisue that rick neglected to mention.




wow man theres a lot to getting a mopar to handle!after all the money spnt why not just use a rack and pinion with a custom bar to mount it from frame rail to frame rail ?less lbs less rod ends no idler arm no pitman arm no hollow tie rods.sure seems to me the suspension companies like selling treatment instead of cure under the guise of keeping our cars mor origional and making instals "bolt in"

Re: Firm Feel sector support kit. [Re: Winchester 73] #1274774
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The rack systems dont really work well in a mopar, a few have tried, not many do the job right. Tim

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