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New 470 build needs your help!!!
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06/27/12 07:35 PM
06/27/12 07:35 PM
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Ruther Glen, Virginia
DanteGray
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Your opinions will be in this build!
Hey all Im starting a 470 build and want opinions on parts and recommendations. This is my prep for when I go to Carlise in July. My budget is 7000 and I have a few parts. 400 block, Mopar M1 4150 flange, MSD 6AL, Malory distrubator. The goal is low to mid 10s in a duster 3100 lbs with driver and 26 tall 12wide tire 3.73 rear (equal to 28/ 4.10). Fuel will be 93 pump and no NOS. There are no power acessorys (brakes, steering, ac).
Im thinking about buying:
Indy EZ440-1 preped heads and custom cam (maybe 620-630ish lift ultradyne). 3.915 stroke, 6.760 rod, 1.270 dish probe piston = 1.72 ratio; light weight piston (600g w/ pin) and long rod (9.9875 on 9.980 deck), 950 quick fuel or HP. between 3500-4k stall. Headman headers.
The goal is to be a street terror cause I'm tire of these damn chevys guys running their mouth!
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Re: New 470 build needs your help!!!
[Re: DanteGray]
#1258453
06/27/12 07:40 PM
06/27/12 07:40 PM
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fresno ca
mikeysmopars
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You need Thumperdart! I would have said not doable but I am now a believer! 
Founder and CEO of the Central Valley Mopar Drag Pack
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Re: New 470 build needs your help!!!
[Re: 68valiant68]
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06/27/12 08:52 PM
06/27/12 08:52 PM
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Balt. Md
383man
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That will not be to hard. Thats close to my 493 build and I have hit 10.70's at 3700 lbs with only 7 passes on it so far and I race it as I drive it on 92 pump through the full exh system. I used a 440Source 4.15 kit and dished pistons for pump friendly 10.6 comp. Heads are Indy EZ heads worked by Dwayne Porter and a solid flat tappet cam speced by Dwayne also. I am using the Indy dual plane intake with an 850 DP and a Mallory dist.
I would call Dwayne Porter for your heads and cam. I bought my heads and cam right from him as he worked the heads some and speced out a nice cam for the combo. And his prices are fair and he is a nice guy who is easy to work with. I think I have 10.50's in mine if I ever get to some serious tuning and maybe try a dominator carb. Good luck , Ron
Last edited by 383man; 06/27/12 08:55 PM.
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Re: New 470 build needs your help!!!
[Re: 68valiant68]
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06/27/12 09:13 PM
06/27/12 09:13 PM
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junction city oregon
viperblue72
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Call Bob George, Indy has 470 rotating kits for a nice price! I ran one of the Indy kits for 2 years with zero issues. Eagle 4340 crank eagle h beam rods and Wisco pistons. 
The Indy kit has 440 counterweights. Id go 440source with the chevy width journals.
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Re: New 470 build needs your help!!!
[Re: mikeysmopars]
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06/27/12 10:17 PM
06/27/12 10:17 PM
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Arizona
Chris'sBarracuda
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You need Thumperdart!
I would have said not doable but I am now a believer!
 If Thump Man would tell his secrets to you... 
Dom's car certainly runs well.. 9.70's with RPM heads.. 
Chris.. 
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Re: New 470 build needs your help!!!
[Re: DanteGray]
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06/27/12 11:22 PM
06/27/12 11:22 PM
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Dearborn Hts, MI
Sledge_57
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I assume Muscle Motors still does these. They did mine and it's a 1.32ch piston and a 6.535 rod combo and it revs fast. Mine is 10:1 compression, Bulldog heads, 585 lift 259@.050 cam, RPM intake and a MD 850 (stay away from that carb  ) 470 in a light car should be fun.
Doug
1967 "Pedal Car" 500" low deck , TF 727, 4.30 Locker
Best to Date: 11.67 @ 114.9 1.64 60ft
"Kids in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause kids..."
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Re: New 470 build needs your help!!!
[Re: DanteGray]
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06/28/12 12:05 AM
06/28/12 12:05 AM
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Bend,OR USA
Cab_Burge
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Agreed, the 440 source style kit was my second option. But I'm staying with the 220 journal and .990pin chevy set-up. I just want to stay with a light weight piston so it will rev fast. Oh the Cam will be a solid flat tappet.
If your buying new heads buy the the Max Wedge intake ports EZ, sell the M1 intake and buy a used Indy single four intake, 4150 or 4500 flange with the max wedge intake ports, both work well with adapters or spacers with the Quik Fuel or Holley 950 H carbs, the Quick Fuel is bigger CFM than the Holley is   and shoot for close to 255 to 265 duration at .050 with as much lift as you can get on the cam and have it ground on 108 lobe centers, install it 3 to 6 degrees advanced on the intake lobes I've built and help build several 3.91 stroke motors, both high deck and low decks, they will run  
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: New 470 build needs your help!!!
[Re: Sledge_57]
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06/28/12 02:35 AM
06/28/12 02:35 AM
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67dodge67
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I assume Muscle Motors still does these. They did mine and it's a 1.32ch piston and a 6.535 rod combo and it revs fast. Mine is 10:1 compression, Bulldog heads, 585 lift [Email]259@.050[/Email] cam, RPM intake and a MD 850 (stay away from that carb )
470 in a light car should be fun.
470's are FUN. I'm just beginning to have fun with mine in a 67 Coronet.... check out my recent post... you just miiiiiiight be interested in my build since you have a lighter car than mine
Dave
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Re: New 470 build needs your help!!!
[Re: viperblue72]
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06/30/12 08:13 AM
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robin hood country
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I'd say the only downside of your build is the lack of stall. My car is 3100# 440 RB, more comp than you 12.5.1, more stall 5000 but less head cubes and cam. So low 10's should be easy enough.
Mick
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200#
best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
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Re: New 470 build needs your help!!!
[Re: deaks]
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06/30/12 12:28 PM
06/30/12 12:28 PM
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jonestown,pa
dmking
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if my 440 can run low 10.20 as a 30 over 440 with old indy heads flowing around 330cfm and a 262@50 cam 640ish lift a 470 should have that covered. our street stock pulling class has a 470 cid limit and i was thinking on that to try and use my 440-1c heads and hope the 30 extra cid helps the ported heads to make torque. for a car to drag race i my self think the shorter rod will 60ft better.
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. I said 6.535 rod with 1.32, its actually 6.7.
