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Gen 3 Core engines #1220999
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I was hoping to get a database of sorts started on Gen 3 engines.
I wanted it to include what core engines are available and they're basic specs (Bore size, deck height, Crank stroke, rod length etc).

There has been a lot of talk and interest about these engines lately for a Drag Application and thought it might be nice to have the information there and easily accessible.

Would someone like to get the ball rolling? I can edit my original post and add information as we move along.

5.7L HEMI (345 cu in)
Vehicle/s:
Year/s:
Bore: 3.917" (99.5mm)
Stroke: 3.579" (90.9mm)
Valve System pushrod, 16-valve, hydraulic roller lifters
Block Construction cast iron, deep skirt, cross-bolted main caps
Centerline of crank to head deck face 9.3 inches
Centerline of crank to centerline of cam 7.4 inches
Centerline of crank to oil pan rail 2.6 inches
Overall block maximum deck width at deck face 18.3 inches
Overall block height from
oil pan rail to top of water outlet 15.4 inches
Overall engine length 21.1 inches
Compression Ratio 9.6:1
Combustion chamber volume 84.9cc
Intake valve angle 18 degrees
Intake valve head diameter 50.8mm, 2.00 inches
Exhaust valve angle 16y.5 degrees
Exhaust valve head diameter 39.4mm, 1.55 inches
Oil Capacity 7 qt., 6.6L
Weight (includes induction, wiring harness,
auto-trans flexplate and exhaust manifolds,
but not accessories) 485 lbs
Ignition Two spark plugs per cylinder


6.1L SRT-8 HEMI (369.7 cu in)
Vehicle/s:
Year/s:
Bore: 4.055" (103.00mm)
Stroke: 3.579" (90.9mm)
Rod Length:
Deck Height:
Camshaft:
Intake Valve:
Exhaust Valve:

6.4L "392" HEMI (391.2 cu in)
Vehicle/s:
Year/s:
Bore: 4.091" (103.90mm)
Stroke: 3.721" (94.5mm)
Rod Length:
Deck Height:
Camshaft:
Intake Valve:
Exhaust Valve:

Crate 392 (391.2 cu in)
Vehicle/s: N/A
Year/s:
Bore: 4.055"
Stroke: 3.795"
Rod Length:
Deck Height:
Camshaft:
Intake Valve:
Exhaust Valve:

7.0L "426" HEMI (426 cu in )
Vehicle/s:
Year/s:
Bore: 4.125"
Stroke: 3.980"
Rod Length:
Deck Height:
Camshaft:
Intake Valve:
Exhaust Valve:

7.2L "440" HEMI
Vehicle/s:
Year/s:
Bore: ?
Stroke:?
Rod Length:
Deck Height:
Camshaft:
Intake Valve:
Exhaust Valve:

6.9 (421 cu in ) = 4.065 bore x 4.050 stroke
6.27 (382.64 cu in) = 4.125 bore x 3.579 stroke
6.65 (405.73 cu in) = 4.125 bore x 3.795 stroke

***Notes***
• Core engines that do not have VCT/VVT (2003-2008)

• The tone ring changed in 2009 also

• The tone rings are interchangeable, make sure you change your crank sensor too if you do that.

• I believe some engines had an english thread for the oil filter?

• The newer ones (2008?) are 22mm x 1.5

• Toner finger is interchangeable except 03-08 5.7 HEMI (3 Bolt, standard is 4 bolt)

• The good news is that if you have a 6.1 or 6.4 crankshaft and want it in a 5.7 block you can purchase the proper ring from Wiseco part # TR- 32. You only need this if you r using fuel injection and production ECM.

Let me know if there are any errors as I update the information

Last edited by LA360; 04/26/12 07:52 PM.

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Re: Gen 3 Core engines [Re: LA360] #1221000
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This is info I have gathered from other people's posts.
I haven't verified any.
Quote:

Basics:
7.2L "440" HEMI
7.0L "426" HEMI
6.4L "392" HEMI
6.1L SRT-8 HEMI
5.7L HEMI


5.7 (345.0 cu in) = 3.917 bore x 3.579 stroke
6.1 (369.7 cu in) = 4.055 bore x 3.579 stroke (6.059 L = 103.0mm x 90.9mm)
6.4 (391.2 cu in) = 4.091 bore x 3.721 stroke (6.424 L = 103.9mm x 94.5mm)
Crate 392.1 cu in = 4.055 bore x 3.795 stroke
7.0 (426 cu in ) = 4.125 bore x 3.980 stroke
6.9 (421 cu in ) = 4.065 bore x 4.050 stroke
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6.27 (382.64 cu in) = 4.125 bore x 3.579 stroke
6.65 (405.73 cu in) = 4.125 bore x 3.795 stroke
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core engines that do not have VCT/VVT (2003-2008)
The tone ring changed in 2009 also
The tone rings are interchangeable, make sure you change your crank sensor too if you do that.
I believe some engines had an english thread for the oil filter? The newer ones (2008?) are 22mm x 1.5



Re: Gen 3 Core engines [Re: 440Jim] #1221001
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My the toner finger are interchangeable except.the 2003 to 08 5.7. They have a three BOLT where the rest have 4 bolt. I do not know about the 09 and up 5.7.
The good news is that if you have a 6.1 or 6.4 crankshaft and want it in a 5.7 block you can purchase the proper ring from Wiseco part # TR- 32. You only need this if you r using fuel injection and production ECM.

We need a sticky for the G3.

Re: Gen 3 Core engines [Re: MattW] #1221002
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I think this thread is a great idea! I'm interested now in swapping a gen 3 Hemi into my Duster but am unsure what to look for in a donor engine or if I should even bother finding a core since I intend to build a stroker.

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What does the VCT/VVT sensor look like? For guys running a carb, can a spacer or something be made to replace it?

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I think this thread is a great idea! I'm interested now in swapping a gen 3 Hemi into my Duster but am unsure what to look for in a donor engine or if I should even bother finding a core since I intend to build a stroker.




Any 5.7 will do. If your going stroker just need a good block.
Two different front covers car and truck. Both interchange but put the alternator in a different place.
Then you have the heads and intakes. All interchange but the early version 03-08 have smaller port intake and exhaust.
Then the 09 and up 5.7, all 6.1 and 6.4 share the same intake and exhaust openings.
Factory torque to yeild bolts are cheap along with the cylinder head gaskets.
I THINK the rule is to use the gasket for the block you are using.
If your using the EFI the cheapest way is to convert it to the GM LS ECU and program that. I am looking into this.

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What does the VCT/VVT sensor look like? For guys running a carb, can a spacer or something be made to replace it?



If running a carb use the comp cam locking kit. Don't know the name but it basically locks the VVT. If you are using this with the locking kit you MAY have to change the Toner ring to early version. Don't know if the stand along ignition system will function with the Later toner ring.

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If your using the EFI the cheapest way is to convert it to the GM LS ECU and program that. I am looking into this.




Will you tell us a little more about this?

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Quote:

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If your using the EFI the cheapest way is to convert it to the GM LS ECU and program that. I am looking into this.




Will you tell us a little more about this?




Little info I found out is that the total package is 2500.00.
Google Nutter Racing.
I want to try to make my own toner ring and camshaft ring .
Get the.computer and build my own harness.
May just buy the whole kit.

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Quote:

Quote:

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If your using the EFI the cheapest way is to convert it to the GM LS ECU and program that. I am looking into this.




Will you tell us a little more about this?




Little info I found out is that the total package is 2500.00.
Google Nutter Racing.
I want to try to make my own toner ring and camshaft ring .
Get the.computer and build my own harness.
May just buy the whole kit.




When i was getting a quote from arrlington for his oem computer, harness and pedal to keep the drive by-wire sete up it was around the 2500 price. So given the mopar stuff is the same cost as the chevy i think i will stick to a mopar set-up.

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It's a TONE RING.

Toner is used in copy machines or on skin for that smooth appearance.

R.

PS: I would sure like to see a G3 Hemi between the framerails of my '64Dog!

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Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

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If your using the EFI the cheapest way is to convert it to the GM LS ECU and program that. I am looking into this.




Will you tell us a little more about this?




Little info I found out is that the total package is 2500.00.
Google Nutter Racing.
I want to try to make my own toner ring and camshaft ring .
Get the.computer and build my own harness.
May just buy the whole kit.




When i was getting a quote from arrlington for his oem computer, harness and pedal to keep the drive by-wire sete up it was around the 2500 price. So given the mopar stuff is the same cost as the chevy i think i will stick to a mopar set-up.




Nothing wrong with the mopar ecu.
The LS is cheaper more plentiful and fully programmable.

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Nothing wrong with the mopar ecu.
The LS is cheaper more plentiful and fully programmable.




They seem to be saying on Nutter Racing's website that the advantage of the LS Delphi computer over an aftermarket engine controller is the diagnostic aspect. I dont need my car to throw codes at me so I think I'll stick with an aftermarket ECU.

Its a cool idea though!

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Nothing wrong with the mopar ecu.
The LS is cheaper more plentiful and fully programmable.




They seem to be saying on Nutter Racing's website that the advantage of the LS Delphi computer over an aftermarket engine controller is the diagnostic aspect. I dont need my car to throw codes at me so I think I'll stick with an aftermarket ECU.

Its a cool idea though!




I'm not going all out with the engine just like the fact that I can tune it cheaply with the LS.
I don't even know if it works or not. Just because it is in print doesn't mean much.
I do like the fact that you can purchase an ECU for the LS on Rockauto where tha Mopar ECU is give them yours to rebuild.
For all out racing the stand along system is probably your best bet.
Im just trying to do it the cheapest I can.

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It's a TONE RING.

Toner is used in copy machines or on skin for that smooth appearance.

R.

PS: I would sure like to see a G3 Hemi between the framerails of my '64Dog!




Actually it is called a RELUCTOR ring.

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Bump anyone want to add some info?


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You don't need a kit to lock out the VCT, the kit is an expensive gimmick, just open the cover and slide a nut in or something to prevent any movement of the mechanisim and bolt the cover back on.


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