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Repop tags suck and there are many ways to spot them, and yes places will make them with a simple note book paper filled with options and a like tag for code placement.

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Another 50 years from now,...nobody is really going to care, the "numbers matching", "paint daubed" Mopar restos of today, will be the model T's seen at shows today..."yeah,nice car "...interesting to just a handfull, either too senile, and nearsighted/farsighted, or racked with dementia, to see/remember the fender tag, nevermind "Sherlock Homes" it...


Life's too short to get all worked up over a piece of tin screwed to a machine...

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Life's too short to get all worked up over a piece of tin screwed to a machine...

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Moparmark I think you meant PLANET.

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I did. My spelling sucks and my typing is even worser.

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I don't think that anyone was saying the OP or anyone here was intending to make a fake tag, the statement to me reads that all we are doing is pointing out more and more little hidden details that help to make a fake tag maker produce a better fake tag that gets harder and harder to detect. From what I've just read in this thread there are a few more details to correct and add to the list for the next fake, I mean "perfect" tag. The fender tags are getting better all of the time and it won't be long before they'll probably have an option for the "weathered and aged" look, kind of like jeans that already have wear marks and holes in them so you look like a real hard working, jean wearing cool dude... Keep the details coming, someone is taking notes, the good guys and the bad guys

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I would assume that the repro tag makers might actually have a tag or two in their hands and didn't just use a picture of one on the internet to design theirs. Every "flaw" pointed out is obvious when placed next to a real one. I mean, it's not like there are none out there for them to compare to . They probably really don't care if its 100%, and if someone actually did, by using their eyes, and an alphabet/number book they could easily get them right, and the codes in the right order.

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I think you're being a little naive; it isn't as easy to "get them right" as you think. There are codes that are used in some plants and not in others, different fonts, options not available on a specific car or combined with other options, options that were available only after (or before) a certain date, VON's and Sequence numbers that need to be in the correct range for a certain VIN, etc. etc. etc.

...in order to make a fake tag that NOBODY could figure out, not only would it have to look correct with the right blank, spacing, font and stamping, but it would have to have none of the mistakes I mentioned. The only people that have a hope at doing a semi-accurate layout are the ones with a huge database of tag info from the plant the car was built at covering the time it was built.

...trust me; they care and if they had the knowledge and skill, they'd LOVE to make their fake tags 100% accurate.



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please post the comparison of the original vs the inaccurate repro.

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ummm If I had the original, why would I need an inaccurate repo?

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I understand the reasons why people want a tag. What I don't understand is why people are willing to spend $$$$$ on a reproduction part that they know before they even buy it is wrong.

Do people spend their money so willingly on other wrong parts or do they try to get the best and most accurate reproduction part they can?

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You must be joking.

I've spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars on reproduction parts that I had hoped where right but were wrong.

Wiring harness
Gas tank straps
Lenses
Dutchman panel
Decals

Just to name a few.

But let's breakdown a replacement tag into catagories.

1. Made from the original tag
2. Made from the broadcast sheet correctly
3. Made from the broadcast sheet incorrectly
4. Made up from what someone thought
5. Made up to defraud or misrepresent.

We have people on here that think all 5 catagories are bad. I have a hard time with people against #1.

I think we can all agree that #5 is bad.

Personally I'm OK with #2.

For #3 and #4 I would hope that the person would leave off the sequence number so everyone would know it was not accurate - even though those of us with enough knowledge can spot a repo 99 times out of 100

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fool - "the expert"

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Yeah, what an absolute dip wad. $22K to make some worthless junk. What an absolute brainless idiot. Rumor has it, that moronic dork just closed a deal for about $50 Mil on another one of his stupid and crazy garbage ideas. I'm glad I ain't that dumb. It really bothers me when someone does something idiotic that doesn't affect me! The gall of some people. What was really "funny" was to see the definition for the "experts" around here.

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Would the term "percieved expert" be better?

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I think you're being a little naive; it isn't as easy to "get them right" as you think. There are codes that are used in some plants and not in others, different fonts, options not available on a specific car or combined with other options, options that were available only after (or before) a certain date, VON's and Sequence numbers that need to be in the correct range for a certain VIN, etc. etc. etc.

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You must be joking.

I've spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars on reproduction parts that I had hoped where right but were wrong.

But let's breakdown a replacement tag into catagories.

1. Made from the original tag
2. Made from the broadcast sheet correctly
3. Made from the broadcast sheet incorrectly
4. Made up from what someone thought
5. Made up to defraud or misrepresent.

We have people on here that think all 5 catagories are bad. I have a hard time with people against #1.

I think we can all agree that #5 is bad.

Personally I'm OK with #2.

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I think you're being a little naive; it isn't as easy to "get them right" as you think. There are codes that are used in some plants and not in others, different fonts, options not available on a specific car or combined with other options, options that were available only after (or before) a certain date, VON's and Sequence numbers that need to be in the correct range for a certain VIN, etc. etc. etc.

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First of all I am not naive in all of the points you made. I also know that there are many who will die holding this information dear to their heart, so they can ensure that no one else can fool them while they are alive. Unfortunately, the majority of people do not know the intricacies of said information, and not knowing what to look for does them little good when they really need it. It's a Catch-22.

I'll still have my precious, slightly rusty tag repo'd to put under the hood, and have one made for another car off its broadcast sheet. I doubt that 99.4% of those that look at it would know the difference anyway.

Anyone that uses a piece of tin to soley justify the tripling of the price on a vehicle is really a fool.

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Well you may not be but your point was.

Anyhow, I agree; it is a bit of a catch 22. And for the record, I personally don't have a problem with a tag reproduced from an original. One made from a BS is a little sketchier since there may be some stuff (like Lynch Rd. gate and line sequence numbers for ex.) that a BS won't have so you will have to guess...plus you would need to address the other issues like which options to show, etc.

I guess I wouldn't blame someone for making a repro tag from a BS, but I don't think I would do it for one of my own cars because it casts a bit of a question mark on the car and the authenticity of the rest of the documentation.


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You must be joking.

I've spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars on reproduction parts that I had hoped where right but were wrong.

But let's breakdown a replacement tag into catagories.

1. Made from the original tag
2. Made from the broadcast sheet correctly
3. Made from the broadcast sheet incorrectly
4. Made up from what someone thought
5. Made up to defraud or misrepresent.

We have people on here that think all 5 catagories are bad. I have a hard time with people against #1.

I think we can all agree that #5 is bad.

Personally I'm OK with #2.

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Thanks...you may have missed the core point. Did you know going in the parts were wrong and still spent the money or did you have a high expectation the parts were wrong when you purchased them? Saying you 'hoped' they were right makes me think you had a high degree of expectation they were 'correct' and found out they weren't after you bought them.

Unless you have a new tag made from the original tag, there is potential of a high degree of error when making a reproduction tag. If people, like the original poster, know going in they are paying $$$$ for a product that will be or has a high chance of being flawed, well then...that's their choice and they will have to live with the consequences.

I agree with you, and I think most people would, I don't have a problem with owners that get a reproduction made using the original as a template.

#2 is a close second but there are tags (69+ Lynch Road tags) that cannot be made accurately from a BS.

The tag from my car I posted above came from one of the tag providers listed and falls under #4 and #5. It was made based on what someone thought was correct or wanted to be.

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Nope we're on the same page

I'll admit that it's not possible to build a fender tag for a car from BS for cars from Lynch Road. I would have hard time thinking that you could do it for St Louis. Luckily for me my two B bodies out of those plants have theit BS and tags.

But I'm mostly a Challenger guy and all mine are from Hamtramck. I'm pretty sure with the BS you can code out a correct tag.