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Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... #1198435 03/17/12 04:43 PM 03/17/12 04:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,844 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY OP I Live Here
ZIPPY OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,844 S.E. Michigan	.....cut the step off the bottom and put a torrington washer in it's place to reduce wear? It seems the bronze gear and the bronze bushing don't wear very well together? Wouldn't a machined/flat torrington take care of it? I'm on my second one in many years, just inspected it and it's wearing mostly on the bottom just like the first (and like the others I have checked out, customer engines and so forth). It tends to score the steel shaft, because it's getting bronze particles thrown at it all the time. I just pulled it, wasn't too surprised to see what it was doing...knocked the light scoring down with 600 grit and am going to put it back in. But have a longer term fix in mind.... I could have sworn I saw somebody selling them on ebay at one point years ago, already cut and with the washer, but maybe I've killed too many brain cells... If not, thoughts? Good idea/dumb idea? Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: ZIPPY] #1198436 03/17/12 04:57 PM 03/17/12 04:57 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I've never done it but it would be easy enough to do.... that just says your on the throttle tooo much... LOL If I recall correctly it is pushed down when on your on the pedal and lifts when you are decelling

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: ZIPPY] #1198437 03/17/12 05:59 PM 03/17/12 05:59 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,871 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,871 Ontario, Canada	Funny, I thought the same ... all the used one's you see at swap meets are all worn off the bottom from two similar metals rubbing. I don't think it really needs a torrington in there and they're pretty thick. Just a good steel washer should do the trick. The torrington machined spacers(washers) are .030 thick so may not even need anything taken off the gear. Anyhow that's what I plan to do.

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: Stanton] #1198438 03/17/12 07:19 PM 03/17/12 07:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey J jamesc master
jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	no it's not a dumb idea, it's the way they should be made. i'm not sure but you may have to turn a recess in the gear to use a three piece bearing. OTOH a single hardened washer might work between the two bronze surfaces but i don't know if anyone has done this. Leigh sent me this some time ago but i never ordered the parts. there had been a post about this very subject Quote: "The Torrington number is NTA 815 and you have a choice of two different thicknesses thrust races. First one is .030 and the pn is TRA-815 Second one is .060 and pn TRB-815. You will need two races. I bought both sizes, but am only using the .030 thick ones" here's the washer if you just wanted to use that washer

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: ZIPPY] #1198439 03/17/12 07:57 PM 03/17/12 07:57 PM
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dodger mope enthusiast D Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 224 in the middle	I did that years ago with great success,only i used just the flat washer and cut a oil feed groove in the bottom of the bronze gear. I didnt want to worry about little rollers in th engne?

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: dodger mope] #1198440 03/17/12 10:55 PM 03/17/12 10:55 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,632 Lubbock,TX D DavidDean top fuel
DavidDean top fuel D Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,632 Lubbock,TX	Sounds like a good idea and maybe it'll help the oil stay cleaner

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: DavidDean] #1198441 03/17/12 11:18 PM 03/17/12 11:18 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 877 ky 68roadrunner super stock
68roadrunner super stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 877 ky	i thought one of the stocker guys was doing this, but dont remember who it was, sorry.

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: 68roadrunner] #1198442 03/18/12 12:53 AM 03/18/12 12:53 AM
Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,407 Ambridge, Pa. R rickraw top fuel
rickraw top fuel R Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,407 Ambridge, Pa.	larry sheppard came up with a bearing years ago. i beleive the article was in mopar muscle magazine. seeya.

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: rickraw] #1198443 03/18/12 06:31 AM 03/18/12 06:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,466 malvern, ohio 3 3ddart pro stock
3ddart pro stock 3 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,466 malvern, ohio	what he said, but it is the larry shepard from akron, ohio (hemi's only ?) not the mopar enginner

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: ZIPPY] #1198444 03/18/12 08:49 AM 03/18/12 08:49 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S. M moparniac master
moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	Quote: I'm on my second one in many years, just inspected it and it's wearing mostly on the bottom just like the first (and like the others I have checked out, customer engines and so forth). It tends to score the steel shaft, because it's getting bronze particles thrown at it all the time. Exactly what happened to mine end of last summer. the crap showed up in my oberg. The washer sounds like a nice plan. Mopar Performance

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: ZIPPY] #1198445 03/18/12 10:50 AM 03/18/12 10:50 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC	If it is a material issue, a simple hardened and ground "washer" is all that is needed. These are sometimes called "races" for torrington bearings. I don't see a need for putting tiny roller bearings in that application.

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: 440Jim] #1198446 03/19/12 10:26 AM 03/19/12 10:26 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,844 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY OP I Live Here
ZIPPY OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,844 S.E. Michigan	Thanks for the input, it seemed like a good idea at the time, thought I should run it past you guys as a sanity check. Been going through some maintenance on the gtx... I didn't hardly touch it last year, was concentrating on the shop build but now I can get back to the car projects Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: ZIPPY] #1198447 03/19/12 01:58 PM 03/19/12 01:58 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,675 Mt. Eden Ky. Hemi Allstate master
Hemi Allstate master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,675 Mt. Eden Ky.	The KB kit has bearings. I would like to use the washer myself. Edit: I see that KB is putting the bearing on top of instead of under the bronze gear. Sorry. 7125839-7058680-DistributorDriveThrustAssy.jpg (43 downloads) Last edited by Hemi Allstate; 03/19/12 02:05 PM. 1996 Ram 1500 Sport 1968 road runner 1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: ZIPPY] #1198448 03/19/12 04:48 PM 03/19/12 04:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	I'd like to be proactive re: eliminating this as a potential wear point when running my first roller on the street. Is the solid washer option thin enough to not require machining the bottom of the gear?

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: BradH] #1198449 03/19/12 05:38 PM 03/19/12 05:38 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,675 Mt. Eden Ky. Hemi Allstate master
Hemi Allstate master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,675 Mt. Eden Ky.	Quote: I'd like to be proactive re: eliminating this as a potential wear point when running my first roller on the street. Is the solid washer option thin enough to not require machining the bottom of the gear? I'd like to know that too! 1996 Ram 1500 Sport 1968 road runner 1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: Hemi Allstate] #1198450 03/19/12 05:51 PM 03/19/12 05:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	The KB deal looks like what Dan Dvorak was selling, too. Compared to the simplicity of a $2 shaft collar, that thing is an effing Rube Goldberg contraption. I spent the $$$ w/ Dvorak to have him do the install (he said it required some special fitting for proper length, IIRC) and it caused my distributor to wobble back and forth so badly when we fired the engine up on Porter Racing's dyno that we pulled it off after about 60 seconds of run time. I stuck it on my parts shelf and it's been sitting there for about nine years.

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: BradH] #1198451 03/19/12 05:58 PM 03/19/12 05:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,844 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY OP I Live Here
ZIPPY OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,844 S.E. Michigan	Quote: I'd like to be proactive re: eliminating this as a potential wear point when running my first roller on the street. Is the solid washer option thin enough to not require machining the bottom of the gear? I'm assuming the gear will need to be machined, but that'd be great if it did not

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1198452 03/19/12 06:08 PM 03/19/12 06:08 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ M maximum entropy master
maximum entropy master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ	Quote: If I recall correctly it is pushed down when on your on the pedal and lifts when you are decelling pushed down all tine engine run. all tine. for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?

Re: Bronze intermediate shaft gear, have you ever.... [Re: maximum entropy] #1198453 03/19/12 06:21 PM 03/19/12 06:21 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,871 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,871 Ontario, Canada	Those washers are .030 thick. The gear will no doubt still mesh well with the cam, the question is whether or not there is .030 between the distributor shaft and the oil pump shaft. Easy enough to figure out ... take the o-ring off the dist. and see if you can bottom the dist. out on the motor. If so then you should be good to go.

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