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Re: I smell a cheater [Re: buck440] #1182783
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the summit team does seem to have the most and biggest header fires. how a bout that trailer fire a couple years ago?


for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
Re: I smell a cheater [Re: 23T Hemmee] #1182784
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Makes me wonder as I just said to my buddy yesterday..........how come the Summit cars always seem to pick up lately in eliminations and most others slow down a tad ? And they are the only two cars I have noticed header fires on. Ron

Re: I smell a cheater [Re: 383man] #1182785
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Do you guyd really think Allen Johnson and the rest of the gang would sit idly by and LET the Summit teams cheat?

The Summit team has some incredible people on the crew, and besides Summit's dollars, Ken Black has some pretty deep pockets his own self.

Throw in the fact that Anderson's father-in-law owns a race track not too far from the shop that they can test at whenever they want.


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Re: I smell a cheater [Re: slantzilla] #1182786
02/20/12 09:17 PM
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Do you guyd really think Allen Johnson and the rest of the gang would sit idly by and LET the Summit teams cheat?

The Summit team has some incredible people on the crew, and besides Summit's dollars, Ken Black has some pretty deep pockets his own self.

Throw in the fact that Anderson's father-in-law owns a race track not too far from the shop that they can test at whenever they want.


BINGO!!!! We have a winner.....


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Re: I smell a cheater [Re: 23T Hemmee] #1182787
02/20/12 09:19 PM
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allen johnson needs to cheat because he has not been doing so hot. ever since perle left he has sucked.

Re: I smell a cheater [Re: ChrisJohnston669] #1182788
02/20/12 09:47 PM
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I don't think they're cheating, just tons of money. Just ask anyone that runs a truly fast car. Not me btw. .

Re: I smell a cheater [Re: robnbird] #1182789
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Don't know about the cheating part but i can tell you this.Greg was not happy with the tune up Jason gave him in the semis 6.59et won't win lane choice.Greg can tune Jason's car to run 6.55 et and Jason can do the same but won't.To me thats cheating.If it won't for Greg. Jason wouldn't be there.

Re: I smell a cheater [Re: slantzilla] #1182790
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Do you guyd really think Allen Johnson and the rest of the gang would sit idly by and LET the Summit teams cheat?

The Summit team has some incredible people on the crew, and besides Summit's dollars, Ken Black has some pretty deep pockets his own self.

Throw in the fact that Anderson's father-in-law owns a race track not too far from the shop that they can test at whenever they want.


yes I do think they would set by and let NHRA do their own police work. None of the Pro racer will accuse anyone of cheating unless they are 100% sure. You don't run around NHRA and whine cheater without evidence. I think they are cheating somehow. If it were just the FORD and Mopar teams that could not compete I would not be as skeptical but when all of the GM cars are not even in the chase, bull. there cheating.

Re: I smell a cheater [Re: justinp61] #1182791
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I don't think they're cheating, just tons of money. Just ask anyone that runs a truly fast car. Not me btw. .


well, I know they were running 6.30s & 40 at the end of last year. After they had the championship sown up they slowed down. none of the other cars can get within 2 hundredths. there cheating.

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Re: I smell a cheater [Re: robnbird] #1182792
02/21/12 01:01 AM
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If NHRA used a fuel carbon sampler that would tell. A simple chemical test would identify carbon from gasses like nitros , alky etc.




I'm no chemist... but there isn't any carbon in nitrous. Nitromethane, Alky and gasoline, yes.

Re: I smell a cheater [Re: robnbird] #1182793
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I don't think they're cheating, just tons of money. Just ask anyone that runs a truly fast car. Not me btw. .


well, I know they were running 6.30s & 40 at the end of last year. After they had the championship sown up they slowed down. none of the other cars can get within 2 hundredths. there cheating.




Doooooood, put down the bowl. AJ went .46 for the fastest pass ever this winter in testing. Line holds the record at .47.

Lots of teams are right there with the Summit team. Their big advantage is they hold it together on race day when everyone else is stepping on their dinks.

I'm sure AJ intentionally puts the car into shake just so Anderson and Line can win. If you really look at the stats there are lots of passes where Team Summit are vulnerable and whoever is in the other lane just can't seal the deal.


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Re: I smell a cheater [Re: slantzilla] #1182794
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Remember Eckmam and Ornsdorff when they were hiding nitrous in the oil accumulator an it blew up in the pits in Columbus? Alderman was running nitrous when he was on top and then had the mysterious break in at the shop. Been going on a long time and the NHRA doesn't tech near hard enough to find it.


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Re: I smell a cheater [Re: d7cook] #1182795
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Last year for the Pontiacs,they will be switching to Camaros next.
I don't know about the rest of you guys but it's no fun watching "Teams" in all classes.When you have 3 or 4 cars out of 16 where is the competition?Funny how Neff layed down for his boss in Pamona. But it's a rich mans sport.

Re: I smell a cheater [Re: slantzilla] #1182796
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I don't think they're cheating, just tons of money. Just ask anyone that runs a truly fast car. Not me btw. .


well, I know they were running 6.30s & 40 at the end of last year. After they had the championship sown up they slowed down. none of the other cars can get within 2 hundredths. there cheating.




Doooooood, put down the bowl. AJ went .46 for the fastest pass ever this winter in testing. Line holds the record at .47.

Lots of teams are right there with the Summit team. Their big advantage is they hold it together on race day when everyone else is stepping on their dinks.

I'm sure AJ intentionally puts the car into shake just so Anderson and Line can win. If you really look at the stats there are lots of passes where Team Summit are vulnerable and whoever is in the other lane just can't seal the deal.




Yep. What he said...

What I SMELL is: hands down the BEST PS TEAM out there, right now. Not just Anderson and Line, but from Downing on down.

Re: I smell a cheater [Re: cudadoug] #1182797
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What I SMELL is: hands down the BEST PS TEAM out there, right now. Not just Anderson and Line, but from Downing on down.




Ditto

There are others out there that run the numbers. Look at Mike Edwards for example. He is almost always right there as far as MPH goes and very often with ET. The Summit team is just really good. The encounter issues much less than almost everyone.

Re: I smell a cheater [Re: JackGTX440] #1182798
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What I SMELL is: hands down the BEST PS TEAM out there, right now. Not just Anderson and Line, but from Downing on down.




Ditto

There are others out there that run the numbers. Look at Mike Edwards for example. He is almost always right there as far as MPH goes and very often with ET. The Summit team is just really good. The encounter issues much less than almost everyone.




with both. I think when Jeggie gets everything sorted out he will have the fastest, most consistent Mopar team and will be in the top three or four in the class .

Re: I smell a cheater [Re: justinp61] #1182799
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I think Line needs to hit a practice tree...eventually the power won't be enough..


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Re: I smell a cheater [Re: barracuda man] #1182800
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Don't know about the cheating part but i can tell you this.Greg was not happy with the tune up Jason gave him in the semis 6.59et won't win lane choice.Greg can tune Jason's car to run 6.55 et and Jason can do the same but won't.To me thats cheating.If it won't for Greg. Jason wouldn't be there.



I thought it was great when they Asked Jason what tune he was going to give Greg for the final and he said "I'm thinking 14.20 @ around 82 MPH"


Jim

Re: I smell a cheater [Re: Bigcube] #1182801
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Don't know about the cheating part but i can tell you this.Greg was not happy with the tune up Jason gave him in the semis 6.59et won't win lane choice.Greg can tune Jason's car to run 6.55 et and Jason can do the same but won't.To me thats cheating.If it won't for Greg. Jason wouldn't be there.



I thought it was great when they Asked Jason what tune he was going to give Greg for the final and he said "I'm thinking 14.20 @ around 82 MPH"



hey, that's pretty funny.


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Re: I smell a cheater [Re: Bigcube] #1182802
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I've been told by many NHRA class racers that it ain't cheating until you get caught How did Gregg get so fast back when he had no sponsors I remember when a certain Mopar driver with the initials of D.A. started driving a car that wouldn't fall out of a tree for several years before he came to the team from IHRA no rule racing He ended up winning several NHRA world championships before being suspend for recreational drug use and the team shop being broken into causing unknown problems


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