Posted By: robnbird
I smell a cheater - 02/20/12 06:28 PM
I have noticed on several occasions the SUMMIT pro stock team has had a exaust fire that will not go out quickly. I am forced to believe they are cheating. Its not cheating until you are caught. no way the other GM cars can not compete with them. they always qualify just OK then all of a sudden they find the tune. Bob glidden wrecked at 170+ jumps out and covers his intake.
Posted By: Stanton
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/20/12 06:39 PM
Once the PS guys started using fabricated intakes instead of over-the-counter cast intakes, covering the intake was pretty much the norm. And think about it ... he could never have gone through tech without them looking at the intake !!
Posted By: WHITEDART
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/20/12 06:58 PM
herd easyoff oven spray in the fuel line does the trick they dont test the line just the fuel in the tank???????????????????????????????????????????????
Posted By: 74-440Charger
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/20/12 07:03 PM
I'd like to know why they are still allowed to run pontiacs?
Posted By: 440lebaron
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/20/12 07:56 PM
they have had that header fire for the last 2 seasons, its how they set there floats ??, they are not always the fastest out there, just cubic dollors
Posted By: bwdst6
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/20/12 09:41 PM
I’ve heard a few years ago a certain dodge team used to fill an empty battery and run the NO2 line up and through the starter.
I’ve also been hearing a couple of interesting things on Jegs winning a championship, and then all of a sudden just didn’t want to run last year.
Isn’t gossip fun!
I think it was ronnie humphrey but i noticed it the last race. when he lit the pre stage and cleaned the car out it was 3 and sounded like he was purging through the motor lol.
Posted By: buck440
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/20/12 10:44 PM
it's funny that no matter if someone get's a holeshot on them and is in front. the summit cars always seem to power by at the end
the summit team does seem to have the most and biggest header fires. how a bout that trailer fire a couple years ago?
Posted By: 383man
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/21/12 12:09 AM
Makes me wonder as I just said to my buddy yesterday..........how come the Summit cars always seem to pick up lately in eliminations and most others slow down a tad ? And they are the only two cars I have noticed header fires on. Ron
Posted By: slantzilla
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/21/12 01:03 AM
Do you guyd really think Allen Johnson and the rest of the gang would sit idly by and LET the Summit teams cheat?
The Summit team has some incredible people on the crew, and besides Summit's dollars, Ken Black has some pretty deep pockets his own self.
Throw in the fact that Anderson's father-in-law owns a race track not too far from the shop that they can test at whenever they want.
allen johnson needs to cheat because he has not been doing so hot. ever since perle left he has sucked.
Posted By: justinp61
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/21/12 01:47 AM
I don't think they're cheating, just tons of money. Just ask anyone that runs a truly fast car. Not me btw.
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Posted By: barracuda man
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/21/12 02:28 AM
Don't know about the cheating part but i can tell you this.Greg was not happy with the tune up Jason gave him in the semis 6.59et won't win lane choice.Greg can tune Jason's car to run 6.55 et and Jason can do the same but won't.To me thats cheating.If it won't for Greg. Jason wouldn't be there.
Posted By: d7cook
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/21/12 04:04 PM
Remember Eckmam and Ornsdorff when they were hiding nitrous in the oil accumulator an it blew up in the pits in Columbus? Alderman was running nitrous when he was on top and then had the mysterious break in at the shop. Been going on a long time and the NHRA doesn't tech near hard enough to find it.
Posted By: Darter6
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/21/12 04:32 PM
Last year for the Pontiacs,they will be switching to Camaros next.
I don't know about the rest of you guys but it's no fun watching "Teams" in all classes.When you have 3 or 4 cars out of 16 where is the competition?Funny how Neff layed down for his boss in Pamona.
But it's a rich mans sport.
Posted By: Eric
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/21/12 06:29 PM
I think Line needs to hit a practice tree...eventually the power won't be enough..
Posted By: Cab_Burge
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/21/12 08:15 PM
Posted By: BDS871Cuda
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/21/12 08:22 PM
The clutch!!! I know it's a big secret still, but
the 5 or 6 disc small diameter 6 inch clutch is
still where the tune is at. KB racing were the
first ones to have it, not so much a secret any
more, but a tuning nightmare. They don't have to
cheat, they just have to out spend. A $50,000
clutch combo is nothing for KB racing. But this
is old info anyways, right??? !!!
Posted By: camastomcat
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/21/12 08:55 PM
It's also about the will to keep working when others have stopped. They have been scrutenised more than any other team out there. They just have the money, drive, knowledge, set up, and hot hand right now.
Qualify near the top to get lane choice in the first round and race fast to keep it. A lot of these tracks are a couple of hundreds quicker from lane to lane. Line and Anderson rarely get wheel hop like the other teams do so either look at the clutch set-up or some type of traction control. They have several Nascar guys on their team and if anyone knows there way around the rules or how to push the rules its Nascar guys.
I agree with most, that the multi car teams arent always good for the sport, BUT, without them, there may not be enough cars to make a series succesful. Just part of the deal.
As far as Line and Anderson, they are well funded, and extremely sharp individuals who are not afraid to outwork the competition. It isnt by chance, luck or cheating that they are one top. They are the best tuners out there. If you really want to see where they win, look at their incvrementals, and analyze it a little closer. You'll see where they do their damage, and exactly what they have a handle on.
I also agree, they are there for the beating, but you CANNOT be off YOUR game when they stumble, and thats what usually happens. They arent going to give you much, and when they DO, you better be on top of your driving and tuning, and they can be beat.There is no question Jason relaxes on the tree at times, and when he does, YOU cant. They also obviously have a great handle on Pomona in general, and always come out firing.
I'll never insult a team or crew that just out hustles their competition.
Jeggie is a winner and a champion. He wont settle for bridesmaid for long. he knows how to win, and will be good for us Mopar lovers, just give them some time. AJ needs to be on the tree when the opportunity arises. I am sure he knows that as well as anyone. Vincent is a driving machine. He seems to have the power and will do well.
Posted By: top comp
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/21/12 10:51 PM
better check your facts--didn't happen
Posted By: kingdust
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/22/12 02:52 AM
jeggie had line beat with an .005 light but shook the tires in 2nd. like was said before, you have to take advantage when they slip up and thats not often! A.J. is right there in the power dept. always in the top 3-5 in qualifing but seems to miss on the tuneup on sunday. when they get the camaros the other teams should be able to take advantage as it will take a few races to sort out the bugs. i would love to see all 3 mopars in the top 5 at the end of the year.
Posted By: dragracedr
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/22/12 03:10 AM
I agree with Al. You guys are something else. To get back to the OP, flames in the the headers at the shut off are due to raw fuel igniting in the hot headers after the engine's clicked off. It happens with all the prostocks. Cheating my a$$. Taking advantage of the rules? Probably.
Posted By: 383man
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/22/12 12:59 PM
They have to be cheating if they dont drive a Mopar.
Ron
Posted By: gregsdart
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/22/12 01:18 PM
some of this post reminds me of Chinese commy justice. Trial is at noon and executions at one pm .
Posted By: justinp61
Re: I smell a cheater - 02/22/12 05:06 PM
Some of these guys need to apply for tech jobs with the NHRA
. I'm sure they could find whatever magic device that the Summit guys are using.
stop it summit 
I like this 
If NHRA used a fuel carbon sampler that would tell. A simple chemical test would identify carbon from gasses like nitros , alky etc. 
with both. I think when Jeggie gets everything sorted out he will have the fastest, most consistent Mopar team and will be in the top three or four in the class 
I remember when a certain Mopar driver with the initials of D.A. started driving a car that wouldn't fall out of a tree for several years before he came to the team from IHRA no rule racing 
I will say hands down the best cheating team. Are you saying that Mike Edwards is just a slacker, or AJ and Roy beginners or These other teams Just can't figure it out on race day. Bull Hockey. The Summit team is cheating some where.
the Summit cars are cheating they just have not been caught or NHRA don't want to them caught. But, enough for me you guuuuys 
fight it out. 