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Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: Rapid588] #1174364 02/10/12 05:12 PM 02/10/12 05:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 Central New York slippery440 Crybaby440
slippery440 Crybaby440 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 Central New York	Quote: Here are a couple of pics of my friends race car that he had been racing at the same track since it was almost new (at MOROSO....now PBIR). He said he was on a normal 10 second run when he totally had no control whatsoever when he unknowingly hit a light patch of antifreeze. I did not see the wreck, but i did see the aftermath.... people that saw it said he cleared the 40 ft high scoreboards. The guy in the 11 second car that ran right before him in that lane was observed looking for a coolant leak and wiping antifreeze off his windsheild right after his run. It was later confirmed he was running antifreeze even though he knew it was the tracks WRITTEN policy for non street cars to not run antifreeze. Some people think they are above the rules or don't care about the safety of others .... almost cost my friend his life!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!! This is what I have been trying to get at. Mabe with a picture for a mental image some of these pro antifreeze guys will wake up. WATER IS BAD-- ANIFREEZE IS DEADLY If the MODS did their job I would not be hitting the notify MOD button. LOL

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: Rapid588] #1174365 02/10/12 06:27 PM 02/10/12 06:27 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ M maximum entropy master
maximum entropy master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ	Quote: Here are a couple of pics of my friends race car that he had been racing at the same track since it was almost new (at MOROSO....now PBIR). He said he was on a normal 10 second run when he totally had no control whatsoever when he unknowingly hit a light patch of antifreeze. I did not see the wreck, but i did see the aftermath.... people that saw it said he cleared the 40 ft high scoreboards. The guy in the 11 second car that ran right before him in that lane was observed looking for a coolant leak and wiping antifreeze off his windsheild right after his run. It was later confirmed he was running antifreeze even though he knew it was the tracks WRITTEN policy for non street cars to not run antifreeze. Some people think they are above the rules or don't care about the safety of others .... almost cost my friend his life!!! i think the same thing would have happened if it were water. look, i hear a lot of harping about respect- the g.d. car should not leak anything! any leak is a wreck waiting to happen. i see cars at the track with pieces falling off. take care of your [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean], gentlemen! sheesh. for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: maximum entropy] #1174366 02/10/12 07:37 PM 02/10/12 07:37 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,834 MI, usa dvw master
dvw master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,834 MI, usa	Lets see if i have this correct. It's OK to run antifreeze in a street car that runs 10-13 seconds in pro. But if it's a racecar it should be water? In our area it can drop below freezing at night during the race season. Doug

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: dvw] #1174367 02/11/12 09:05 AM 02/11/12 09:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,915 A shed in England Tig master
Tig master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,915 A shed in England	I'm sorta on the fence with this one now. Since I run an all alloy motor, I run anti freeze for it's corrosion inhibiting properties but I'm sure it's a non ethyl glycol based type, that stuff hard to get over here. I'm not even sure if it hasn't been banned from sale. All you guys running iron blocks and aluminium heads have a v8 battery, I'm not sure you'll be best off running de-ionised and/or de-gassed water? Don't use R-O water thats the worst thing you can do, I've worked on renal dialysis machines and that stuff eats steel and aluminium at an alarming rate. The purer the water the more corrosive it is. HTH's '74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials. 9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge. RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: maximum entropy] #1174368 02/11/12 10:31 AM 02/11/12 10:31 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	Quote: i think the same thing would have happened if it were water. look, i hear a lot of harping about respect- the g.d. car should not leak anything! any leak is a wreck waiting to happen. i see cars at the track with pieces falling off. take care of your [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean], gentlemen! sheesh. That's what I was thinking too. First, I'm glad the guy in what looks like a blue camaro was alright. but, if the car in front of him leaked down the track, I don't know that it would matter if it was water, oil, ATF, Antifreeze, gear lube....the results probably would have been the same. Racing is a risk, and again, if you cannot accept the risk that the track might not be perfect, and that the guy in front of you might have blown a transmission line unknowingly, half way through the run, then maybe it's time to make it a street car again. Antifreeze doesn't cause crashes. ill maintained equipment causes crashes. negligent drivers cause crashes. and sometimes "flat out bad luck" causes crashes when a hose unexpectedly fails on an otherwise perfect ride. if someone spills anything on the track and the driver does not know, and the track officials don't see it, nobody's going to know to clean it up, and at which point, it flat out does not matter what it was. Last edited by 70Cuda383; 02/11/12 10:35 AM. Photobucket sucks

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: 70Cuda383] #1174369 02/11/12 10:36 AM 02/11/12 10:36 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	but, what do I know. I'm not a professional racer, so no, I'm not out there every weekend. I go when my schedule and budget allows me Photobucket sucks

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: 70Cuda383] #1174370 02/11/12 10:49 AM 02/11/12 10:49 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 52 Virginia M moparroad member
moparroad member M Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 52 Virginia	Have you watched an antifreeze cleanup? If it goes down the track, it takes an extended period of time. This is down time and expense! Antifreeze requires an absorbent, dragging and frequently re-prepping [respray costs about $100.00 at our track] if the antifreeze is heavy it sometimes requires burning or scraping! All because you want to play by YOUR rules rather than the track rules! If I come to your work or house can I play by MY rules? SELFISH! race weekly for almost 40 years! Points at 3 weekly tracks & IHRA tech inspector! Last edited by moparroad; 02/11/12 10:51 AM.

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: moparroad] #1174371 02/11/12 10:59 AM 02/11/12 10:59 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	Quote: Have you watched an antifreeze cleanup? If it goes down the track, it takes an extended period of time. This is down time and expense! Antifreeze requires an absorbent, dragging and frequently re-prepping [respray costs about $100.00 at our track] if the antifreeze is heavy it sometimes requires burning or scraping! All because you want to play by YOUR rules rather than the track rules! If I come to your work or house can I play by MY rules? SELFISH! race weekly for almost 40 years! Points at 3 weekly tracks & IHRA tech inspector! I do play by my track rules. if they did not allow antifreeze, then I won't go there, or I'd drain and flush with water for the night. Photobucket sucks

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: 70Cuda383] #1174372 02/11/12 12:15 PM 02/11/12 12:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	a lot of people still don't get it DOES your track have a street class on race night like every track down here does if so the antifreeze debate is mute point. if there is 1 class running it then the threat is there period. 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: 70Cuda383] #1174373 02/11/12 12:18 PM 02/11/12 12:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 447 lake charles, la S sc4400 mopar
sc4400 mopar S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 447 lake charles, la	Quote: Quote: i think the same thing would have happened if it were water. look, i hear a lot of harping about respect- the g.d. car should not leak anything! any leak is a wreck waiting to happen. i see cars at the track with pieces falling off. take care of your [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean], gentlemen! sheesh. That's what I was thinking too. First, I'm glad the guy in what looks like a blue camaro was alright. but, if the car in front of him leaked down the track, I don't know that it would matter if it was water, oil, ATF, Antifreeze, gear lube....the results probably would have been the same. Racing is a risk, and again, if you cannot accept the risk that the track might not be perfect, and that the guy in front of you might have blown a transmission line unknowingly, half way through the run, then maybe it's time to make it a street car again. Antifreeze doesn't cause crashes. ill maintained equipment causes crashes. negligent drivers cause crashes. and sometimes "flat out bad luck" causes crashes when a hose unexpectedly fails on an otherwise perfect ride. if someone spills anything on the track and the driver does not know, and the track officials don't see it, nobody's going to know to clean it up, and at which point, it flat out does not matter what it was. This right here completely covers the whole question. The crash of the '69 is truly an unfortunate deal. Using the implied logic, we should no longer have external oil lines, transmission cooler lines, remote oil reservoirs, the list goes on endlessly. I've been to at least 25 different tracks. 50 NHRA national events, 100+ divisionals, and never once have I heard the first word about a "anti-freeze" rule. In all that time, I've caused 2 leak cleanups. A valve cover stud snapped off, and a mist of oil sprayed out. They only knew to even look because of the smoke from the oil on the headers. The other a cooler line blew apart on the starting line, and I liked to turned a complete 360. Any leak is a bad leak. PERIOD. And racing has a level of risk. I believe 99% of us take this very seriously. Those of you militantly passionate about this issue, I respect that. But each of us that leaves the starting line has to responsibly maintain our ride, and trust that the other racers do to. This isn't bean bag, or chess. If you don't trust the track, don't leave the starting line. I'm done with this, because no one is going to change their mind. Be safe. RIP

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: sc4400] #1174374 02/11/12 01:05 PM 02/11/12 01:05 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 12,587 Great Neck,LI,new york hemi-itis I Live Here
hemi-itis I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 12,587 Great Neck,LI,new york	Street car or not,The rules ARE the rules.It really comes down to the tech guys that check our cars before we can race.I admit I have not always been able to pass tech,but they never checked.The tech guys will take you on your WORD when they ask,do you have a trans sheild,nuetral saftey swith,ANTIFREEZE ETC.Most of the time they just look at the tags on the belts & helmut.Some of the rules are stupid,but we still have to abide or try to get them changed and I refer more to certain certifications. HEMI-ITIS has no cure. My condition is fully BLOWN!!

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: hemi-itis] #1174375 02/11/12 01:25 PM 02/11/12 01:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,855 Staten Island N.Y. Dap top fuel
Dap top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,855 Staten Island N.Y.	I run evans coolant in my car which is propylene glycol. I contacted e-town tech to see if I could run there with it in the car. In a response they said that they we're not familiar with it but as long as it does not clean up like anti freeze it should be ok. The stuff will evaporate pretty quick with no film. PRH446 10.084 @ 135.21 mph N/A through chambered mufflers,3300lbs. Stock stroke wedge

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: MCHBOB] #1174376 02/11/12 02:51 PM 02/11/12 02:51 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,607 KYbywayof WV F Frito top fuel
Frito top fuel F Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,607 KYbywayof WV	Quote: Watched a 64 aluminum dodge barrel roll down the track after the guy in front of him broke and dropped antifreeze on the track. If i see one drop of antifreeze near the starting line everything stops and my brother shuts it down and i start walking the lane on the track Terry Thurman 7065827-Savoy_Wreck_3.jpg (39 downloads) Last edited by Frito; 02/11/12 02:52 PM.

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: dusturbd340W5] #1174377 02/11/12 05:08 PM 02/11/12 05:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: a lot of people still don't get it DOES your track have a street class on race night like every track down here does if so the antifreeze debate is mute point. if there is 1 class running it then the threat is there period. Trust me, most of us get it . As I stated, IMO ........ and that's why I don't run antifreeze - for the reasons I stated. What you or others run, is your business. Track condition problems will always be there. I just perfer not to contribute to them. Again, just my opinion - that's all. It ( and other reasons ) is why I am not much interested in running much faster than mid 10's. In the 60's, track conditions were poor all the time, but ET's and speeds were ( generally ) a better match compared to today. I just don't feel that track prep can keep up with the fast stuff on a consistant bassis - the cruxed of this thread. Fastest 300

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: slippery440] #1174378 02/11/12 09:03 PM 02/11/12 09:03 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 653 Fort Worth, TX Dago Red mopar
Dago Red mopar Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 653 Fort Worth, TX	Quote: You guys that think its ok to run antifreeze please stay home and garage race over the internet.If any of you guys ever had a car that had enough power to spin the wheels you would understand the guy in the 8 second car behind you would probly nut you if you spilled antifreeze in his lane. Then the track crew would be next in line and then every racer that has to wait half hour or more to clean up after your junk. Reson water over antifreeze is water will evaporate on a hot track. Leak a mist of antifreeze its not easy to see but it will be like a ice covered road. I take it you've never raced in Texas in August with just water in the system. I was there and saw that NSS Dodge rolled. It was a lazy track crew that wrecked that car, along with the liquid. Anti-freeze stinks for a reason. If You Can't Be Good, At Least Be Colorful

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: slippery440] #1174379 02/11/12 09:15 PM 02/11/12 09:15 PM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 653 Fort Worth, TX Dago Red mopar
Dago Red mopar Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 653 Fort Worth, TX	Quote: Quote: When I responded to this subject, I knew it wouldn't be long before this type of "righteous" response was presented. For the record, my 543 KB block/hat/440-1(cnc345) dragster will run easy 7.40's with 50/50 Prestone. My 565 S/G roadster will run 8.20's with 50/50 Prestone. Every drag car I've been down the track in since 1978 has had anti-freeze. I'm not hard to spot at D4 events, so be sure to give me a bye run! We return now to regular programming. BTW, what are the odds you and I would register here on the same day??Go figure that. RIP Been racing since 1978 you should be smart enough not to do it and if you already KNEW you would get a self righteous post you should be prepaired to get crap. You dump anitfreeze on the track and you are in the points race or a shootout up here in New York you will be sent home. This is in time trials or T&T. You have a roaster that WILL RUN 8.20s well good luck with that when one of your buddies that think like you drop antifreeze in front of you and the track guys don't see it.People like you have no respect for your fellow racers. Slippery, why don't you take your self rightious attitude and shove it. Racers here will discuss anything, but we don't want to be dictated to. If You Can't Be Good, At Least Be Colorful

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: Crizila] #1174380 02/11/12 10:18 PM 02/11/12 10:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl. D dusturbd340W5 master
dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	Quote: Quote: a lot of people still don't get it DOES your track have a street class on race night like every track down here does if so the antifreeze debate is mute point. if there is 1 class running it then the threat is there period. Trust me, most of us get it . As I stated, IMO ........ and that's why I don't run antifreeze - for the reasons I stated. What you or others run, is your business. Track condition problems will always be there. I just perfer not to contribute to them. Again, just my opinion - that's all. It ( and other reasons ) is why I am not much interested in running much faster than mid 10's. In the 60's, track conditions were poor all the time, but ET's and speeds were ( generally ) a better match compared to today. I just don't feel that track prep can keep up with the fast stuff on a consistant bassis - the cruxed of this thread. I didn't run antifreeze in my car either since it didn't need it but half the cars at the track where street cars so it didn't really matter one way or the other. 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: Dago Red] #1174381 02/11/12 10:36 PM 02/11/12 10:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal	Store bought antifreeze does not remove/transfer heat as well as water. For less than $10 you can buy a bottle of rust inhibitor that will prevent corrosion as well as antifreeze. For those racing in a climate that does not go from non freezing race day temps to 25-20 degree F overnight (examples please), the resistance to freezing is unnecessary. If you have any solution of rust inhibitor, straight water's freezing point depression gets lower than 32 deg. F. It lowers the temp for the water mixture to form ice crystals. Coolant is really hard to get off a track. In an oil or water spill, our track crew brushes down lots of kitty litter, goes over it, and has the racers go over it before we can resume racing.

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: autoxcuda] #1174382 02/11/12 11:04 PM 02/11/12 11:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey J jamesc master
jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	imho this is one of those situations that has good and valid arguments on both sides. yes antifreeze is slippery there's no getting around that. i don't personally know just how effective additives are for preventing rust and corrosion but i understand and fully agree i don't want 10k worth of block and heads rotting away, corrosion in aluminum can be terrible under certain conditions. i wonder about the use of a sacrificial anode in these cooling systems and if that can stem the corrosion problem. at a national or sportsman event where you're dealing solely with race cars i can see the no antifreeze being enforced but at a race where you have street cars running down the track i just don't see the point of people saying you shouldn't have antifreeze in the car. for myself i run tap water but would prefer something that protects the investment in expensive parts. i can really see this one both ways unless there is a suitable replacement to prevent the rust and corrosion.

Re: nhra and antifreeze [Re: jamesc] #1174383 02/11/12 11:36 PM 02/11/12 11:36 PM
Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,407 Ambridge, Pa. R rickraw top fuel
rickraw top fuel R Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,407 Ambridge, Pa.	after reading all the post, the only way to eliminate antifreeze would be upto the track owners. don't know what the percentage of turn aways would be, but they would be losing cash. i myself use antifreeze, street ride. i go out 3-4 times a year, switching it out is a pain. member dap stated he uses evans coolant, going to call them & see if it's easier to clean up. like other members on here, i have some serious coin invested & don't want to cause someone else or myself any problems. we are all taking a risk driving over 130, i see the anti antifreeze posters point. everyone stay safe, seeya.

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