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could someone decode my 440 #1172801 02/05/12 09:21 PM 02/05/12 09:21 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 763 Nashport, OH C chargers777 OP super stock
chargers777 OP super stock C Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 763 Nashport, OH	We bought a truck this weekend with a transplanted 440.It reads 7 T 440 E 2 2 2 maltease cross diamond.I know the e is cast crank not sure about the rest.

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: chargers777] #1172802 02/06/12 03:03 AM 02/06/12 03:03 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A.	Quote: We bought a truck this weekend with a transplanted 440.It reads 7 T 440 E 2 2 2 maltease cross diamond.I know the e is cast crank not sure about the rest. 7 = 1977 model year T = Trenton engine plant 440 = 440 2 2 2 = assembled Feb 2nd 1977 on the 2nd shift Maltese cross means the crank is .001 undersize. THE KILLER , Diamond means the lifter bores are .008 OVERSIZE , unless you have the lifter bores BUSHED the block is JUNK, NO ONE sells .008 oversize lifters .. not even Chrysler anymore... Been there , bushed the block after 2 failed cams ... Last edited by JohnRR; 02/06/12 09:15 AM.

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: JohnRR] #1172803 02/06/12 04:34 AM 02/06/12 04:34 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 763 Nashport, OH C chargers777 OP super stock
chargers777 OP super stock C Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 763 Nashport, OH	The motor runs great so I dont plan on tearing it down.Thanks for the info.Is that one bearing is undersize and one lifter bore or all of them?

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: JohnRR] #1172804 02/06/12 06:51 AM 02/06/12 06:51 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,940 Holly/MI D Dean_Kuzluzski master
Dean_Kuzluzski master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,940 Holly/MI	Quote: 7 = 1977 model year 2 2 2 = assembled Feb 2nd 1972 on the 2nd shift Sorry John, but, not to be a critic, that motor most likely wasn't built/assembled 5 years prior to 77. R.I.P.- Gary "Coop" Davis 02/09/68-05/13/04

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: Dean_Kuzluzski] #1172805 02/06/12 09:14 AM 02/06/12 09:14 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Sorry John, but, not to be a critic, that motor most likely wasn't built/assembled 5 years prior to 77. Typo on my part obviously , thanks for pointing it out .

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: chargers777] #1172806 02/06/12 09:16 AM 02/06/12 09:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A.	Quote: The motor runs great so I dont plan on tearing it down.Thanks for the info.Is that one bearing is undersize and one lifter bore or all of them? No that is ALL the mains and I think rods because it doesn't specify which. ALL lifter bores, but even if it were one lifter bore you still have to bush the block because no one makes that lifter size. As long as you are happy with it in it's current configuration you are all set.

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: JohnRR] #1172807 02/06/12 01:45 PM 02/06/12 01:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	Just don't lose those OS lifters! R.

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: dogdays] #1172808 02/06/12 01:50 PM 02/06/12 01:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Just don't lose those OS lifters! R. I guess if he wanted to he could attempt to rebuild them and send them out to be refaced to use on another cam .

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: JohnRR] #1172809 02/06/12 02:38 PM 02/06/12 02:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,606 westerly, ri. usa 4 440lebaron top fuel
440lebaron top fuel 4 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,606 westerly, ri. usa	so its a 72? all parts are sold as is, all parts are considered used no warranties or returns paypal/check/money order, shipping is from zip 02891, buyer pays paypal fees 24% IRS 1099A plus 3% of part price, check/money order preferred site is not monitored 24/7 there might be a delay in response

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: 440lebaron] #1172810 02/06/12 03:13 PM 02/06/12 03:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A.	Quote: so its a 72? I screwed up , I had 2 2 2 on my brain , it's a 77 .

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: JohnRR] #1172811 02/06/12 03:24 PM 02/06/12 03:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	Or could have new lifters plated to oversize. I remember a Mopar Muscle article about a 340 block that had this problem, gave the builder fits. R.

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: dogdays] #1172812 02/06/12 03:55 PM 02/06/12 03:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Or could have new lifters plated to oversize. I remember a Mopar Muscle article about a 340 block that had this problem, gave the builder fits. R. I had a block was not stamped oversize but the bores were out of whack and the geometry was way out , best and easiest way to correct was to bush the block .

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: JohnRR] #1172813 02/06/12 05:15 PM 02/06/12 05:15 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada D DPelletier I Live Here
DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: Quote: Or could have new lifters plated to oversize. I remember a Mopar Muscle article about a 340 block that had this problem, gave the builder fits. R. I had a block was not stamped oversize but the bores were out of whack and the geometry was way out , best and easiest way to correct was to bush the block . What's the cost for that? I would have thought that unless it was a #'s block, it would be cheaper to start with a block that doesn't have any issues? Just curious. Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: DPelletier] #1172814 02/06/12 06:19 PM 02/06/12 06:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Quote: Quote: Or could have new lifters plated to oversize. I remember a Mopar Muscle article about a 340 block that had this problem, gave the builder fits. R. I had a block was not stamped oversize but the bores were out of whack and the geometry was way out , best and easiest way to correct was to bush the block . What's the cost for that? I would have thought that unless it was a #'s block, it would be cheaper to start with a block that doesn't have any issues? Just curious. Dave I had no choice , it had a ton of other machine work already done, was lucky it only cost $750 considering where it was when it was found. Just had it done to my current pure stock build 383 , cost about $500 , the plus is it caps off the free flow of oil past the lifters , more oil goes where it's supposed to go instead of just flooding the rotating assembly .

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: JohnRR] #1172815 02/06/12 06:26 PM 02/06/12 06:26 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada D DPelletier I Live Here
DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: I had no choice , it had a ton of other machine work already done, was lucky it only cost $750 considering where it was when it was found. Just had it done to my current pure stock build 383 , cost about $500 , the plus is it caps off the free flow of oil past the lifters , more oil goes where it's supposed to go instead of just flooding the rotating assembly . Hmm; I see....so probably best to pass on the block if you know it has this marking up front then. The 383 is for the Dart, right? you've been talking about getting that car to the PSMCDR for almost as many years as I have! Maybe we'll both get there in the next year or two! Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: DPelletier] #1172816 02/06/12 06:57 PM 02/06/12 06:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A.	Yes if the block has a diamond stamped on the pad pass unless it comes with an envelope full of 20's . the 383 is for the dart ,the plan is to be there this year , I'm done doing things for others , working on my own stuff now . Last edited by JohnRR; 02/07/12 01:38 PM.

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: JohnRR] #1172817 02/07/12 12:24 PM 02/07/12 12:24 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada D DPelletier I Live Here
DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: Yes if the block has a diamond stamped on the pad pass unless it comes wit han envolpe full of 20's . the 383 is for the dart ,the plan is to be there this year , I'm done doing things for others , working on my own stuff now . Well good luck! My car SHOULD be done this spring, but I'm not sure I'll be able to drag it all the way to Michigan this fall......might fly out and watch the fun though. Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: chargers777] #1172818 02/07/12 12:33 PM 02/07/12 12:33 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	I thought GG was gonna do all the decoding now on Moparts? Isn't that what he does? Come on GG a little help would be in order IMO.

Re: could someone decode my 440 [Re: Challenger 1] #1172819 02/07/12 01:38 PM 02/07/12 01:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A.	Quote: I thought GG was gonna do all the decoding now on Moparts? Isn't that what he does? Come on GG a little help would be in order IMO.

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