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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
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First, I would start with contacting Lokar or Holley to see if they have adapters for your carb to mate with the cable. This is because you have already bought the cable.
Next I just used a longer piece to reach the linkage on the Holley. I actually used one from a /6 it's a little curved on the front end but works fine with my set-up. Can't swear it will work on your set up but I have read of several guys that just welded two together to get the length they needed. This also leads me to believe that all you need is a longer piece. Hope this helps.
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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
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i will post pics as soon as i get home from work... i believe this is considered a 3 piece bracket, but the rod is one solid piece. this is a 73 road runner with a 318 and 904. i installed a 340 manifold with a 4bbl holley that came with it (old style carb). like i said, i'll get pics asap thank you! Quote:
I have some throttle brackets
what kickdown do you need?
3 piece or a one piece?
post a pic of the intake carb a little further back.
what car is this again?
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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
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I forgot where we left off talking last time,sorry. the intake bracket you have now that wont fit,what 2 bolts does it want to go on when it mounts on the intake? IIRC you will need a bracket that jumps over the intake runners and goes on the bolts next to the runners each side. I will dig up the brackets and pop some pics for you as well. IIRC the 1 piece 73-74 TP linkage has the adjustment right at the intake bracket pivot point. you need the bracket that fits the intake and the 1 piece rod set up you have,maybe it will then work. make another post asking for 73-74 SB 4-v linkage set ups and see what a stock set up looks like... see if anyone has converted to a 3-piece on that body style 
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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
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I forgot where we left off talking last time,sorry.
the intake bracket you have now that wont fit,what 2 bolts does it want to go on when it mounts on the intake?
IIRC you will need a bracket that jumps over the intake runners and goes on the bolts next to the runners each side.
I will dig up the brackets and pop some pics for you as well.
IIRC the 1 piece 73-74 TP linkage has the adjustment right at the intake bracket pivot point.
you need the bracket that fits the intake and the 1 piece rod set up you have,maybe it will then work.
make another post asking for 73-74 SB 4-v linkage set ups and see what a stock set up looks like... see if anyone has converted to a 3-piece on that body style
thanks buddy, i really appreciate the help!
attached is a picture of my carb. you are correct that i need one that clears the intake and it bolts to the second to last bolt, and the next one over which would be 3rd to last.
its holley 6210 model 4165, 650cfm spreadbore manual double pumper
so i should post in the Q and A board for that setup, you meant just for pics right?
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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
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I forgot where we left off talking last time,sorry.
the intake bracket you have now that wont fit,what 2 bolts does it want to go on when it mounts on the intake?
IIRC you will need a bracket that jumps over the intake runners and goes on the bolts next to the runners each side.
I will dig up the brackets and pop some pics for you as well.
IIRC the 1 piece 73-74 TP linkage has the adjustment right at the intake bracket pivot point.
you need the bracket that fits the intake and the 1 piece rod set up you have,maybe it will then work.
make another post asking for 73-74 SB 4-v linkage set ups and see what a stock set up looks like... see if anyone has converted to a 3-piece on that body style
thanks buddy, i really appreciate the help!
attached is a picture of my carb. you are correct that i need one that clears the intake and it bolts to the second to last bolt, and the next one over which would be 3rd to last.
its holley 6210 model 4165, 650cfm spreadbore manual double pumper
so i should post in the Q and A board for that setup, you meant just for pics right?
yes, Q&A board asking for pics of a stock 73-74 318/340/360 4-v set up and what ever stock carb came on it.
seems another carb would be the ez-est thing to do also, IIRC thats a mopar throttle lever thats on it but then again I am not sure.
my 6210/4165 650 spredbore DP has a different lever and will use a holley/chrysler throttle adaptor.
is the idea of another carb out for you?
I know you have $ sunk in it now but maybe an option to ez the pain.
I may have one you can have if it will help.
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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
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I forgot where we left off talking last time,sorry.
the intake bracket you have now that wont fit,what 2 bolts does it want to go on when it mounts on the intake?
IIRC you will need a bracket that jumps over the intake runners and goes on the bolts next to the runners each side.
I will dig up the brackets and pop some pics for you as well.
IIRC the 1 piece 73-74 TP linkage has the adjustment right at the intake bracket pivot point.
you need the bracket that fits the intake and the 1 piece rod set up you have,maybe it will then work.
make another post asking for 73-74 SB 4-v linkage set ups and see what a stock set up looks like... see if anyone has converted to a 3-piece on that body style
thanks buddy, i really appreciate the help!
attached is a picture of my carb. you are correct that i need one that clears the intake and it bolts to the second to last bolt, and the next one over which would be 3rd to last.
its holley 6210 model 4165, 650cfm spreadbore manual double pumper
so i should post in the Q and A board for that setup, you meant just for pics right?
yes, Q&A board asking for pics of a stock 73-74 318/340/360 4-v set up and what ever stock carb came on it.
seems another carb would be the ez-est thing to do also, IIRC thats a mopar throttle lever thats on it but then again I am not sure.
my 6210/4165 650 spredbore DP has a different lever and will use a holley/chrysler throttle adaptor.
is the idea of another carb out for you?
I know you have $ sunk in it now but maybe an option to ez the pain.
I may have one you can have if it will help.
Another carb isn't out of the question...I just don't want to spend too much more on this.
What kind of carb is it that you can part with and does it need anything?
Thanks again!
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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
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02/02/12 06:00 PM
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Come out to the south hills and I will show you how to make it work. You need the holley extension and I have the correct bracket and a kickdown rod that is off a Dodge trk little welding and your set
unless there is another holley/chrysler/mopar adaptor that bolts to that style holley throttle lever am am not seeing how you will use it on that carb.
I guess one could swap the throttle lever and tac weld another on...I do that to the q-jets and mopat throttle levers for truck linkage.
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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
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If that is the case gettinga proper bracket should align to the carb and allow theuseof lokar cable
Right now I am using an aftermarket high rise adjustable bracket which properly aligns the throttle cable, but only has fittings for the lokar cable, but as we know, doesn't work with my carb.
I have no welding skills so am I just going to have to get another carb and be done with this?
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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
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02/03/12 12:04 PM
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do you have your old post saved from last summer? IIRC John Kunkle said what type carb throttle lever it has,early mopar maybe. sent you a PM  post the # from your carb again,lets see what it for. I know mine is the same thing but list for chebby with a chebby throttle arm,the holley adaptor will bolt to it unlike yours. which to me with the mopar throttle stud looks stock mopar and should work with some sort of stock linkage set up.
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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
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ok,dug up some brackets out of the shed.
i have the tall 4-v bracket that should bolt to the intake,and the flat bar hook to the stud on the carb you have now.
I will post a pic of 2 flat rods,i am holding them together,you drill 2 holes and bolt them together to make the flat bar longer if needed(which i think you will need to do)
you 1 piece rod should go right on to this bellcrank,may have to figure inside or out on the bellcrank. (i took pic of the mock up rod on either side if you look close at the pics to see how it goes on the bellcrank)
my LD4B is slightly taller at the runners inbetween the bolts,but this bracke is the same on my stock 4-v intake and fits both...most times the carb flat bar needs to be longer but fits)i will get this bracket and 2 flat bars on the way to you Monday,then we can go from there when you get it bolted to the intake and see were we are at hooking up the flat rods to the carb stud.
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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
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02/04/12 12:57 PM
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and another shot  look at the 1st pic and this pic... see how i turned the bellcrank around and changed the way the flat bar and linkage rod went on. try both ways to see which way works best for you. on my SB the LD4B/eddy carb went 1 way...on the stock intake with stock q-jet it flips around the other way. the eddy used the mopar adaptor and needed 2 flat bar bolted together,the stock intake/q-jet flips the other way and fits with 1 flat bar...as this is stock for a truck with a q-jet in 85. the flat bar can go on either side of the rod,which ever fits best is the way i do it.
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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
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now what i need a pic of is your linkage rod where it hooks to the intake bracket. IIRC it has a bolt in a slide that at the bell crank and has a flat bar to the carb stud. i would like to see just how it hooked to the bracket and make sure it has the same U shaped bellcrank piece. i thinking it should hook right to the U shaped piece and fix you right up and look stock with your carb. looks are ok but function is key to it working right to save the trans and shift properly. make sure to get a shot of your stock 2-v intake bracket where the rod hooks up also. your turn now
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Re: kickdown bracket/linkage question
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here is a 3 piece set up that member streetkit has in the SB for sale section and may indeed work on your car also(which would be way ez if there is enuff room to use it at the firewall and is much better sooted for 2-v to 4-v swaps) i bought this set up for a 440 truck from member streetkit,same price. if all else fails you could swap it to a 3 piece set up. what you have is a one piece set up,they dont go by how many piece are on the bracket like yours...its 1 rod or 3 rods 2 bellcranks i have all most a full set and the other rods could be made up from scratch..I have done that befroe as well. 
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