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Engine should die, right? #1168289 01/30/12 12:36 AM 01/30/12 12:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 559 Scottsdale, AZ K kenz OP mopar
kenz OP mopar K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 559 Scottsdale, AZ	If you cover the carb on a running engine, it should die, right? The 318 in our 73 Duster will keep running when we cover the carb with a cloth. 2 We've been having problems getting it running correctly. It's a rebuilt engine with a new Edelbrock carb and manifold. We've tried 2 different manifolds and 2 different carbs, all new. We've tried spraying carb cleaner all over the carb and manifold while running and it has no effect. So where is it getting air from? Any ideas? Thanks, Ken Mopars Unlimited of Arizona www.moparsaz.com

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: kenz] #1168290 01/30/12 12:38 AM 01/30/12 12:38 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 559 Scottsdale, AZ K kenz OP mopar
kenz OP mopar K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 559 Scottsdale, AZ	I just realized I posted this in the wrong forum. Could a moderator move it? sorry.

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: kenz] #1168291 01/30/12 01:09 AM 01/30/12 01:09 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	More detailed info: when did it start, any part changes preceding it acting up, was it right at one time. You're in the right forum unless you're saying you had a prior thread on this somewhere else & I doubt if the mods will move it, we'll fix it for you! live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: RapidRobert] #1168292 01/30/12 01:23 AM 01/30/12 01:23 AM
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05dakota I Live Here 0 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,861 albany ny	big vacum leak

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: 05dakota] #1168293 01/30/12 01:39 AM 01/30/12 01:39 AM
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Secret Chimp super stock Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 817 Eugene, Oregon	Cracked/leaking PCV hose? 1967 Dodge Coronet Deluxe station wagon 1.03" T-bars, QA1 arms/rods, Cordoba/GM Metric/Volare brake & knuckle, XHDs, Hellwig rear sway, 318 Magnum w/ air gap, 727, 3.23s

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: Secret Chimp] #1168294 01/30/12 01:55 AM 01/30/12 01:55 AM
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Jim_Lusk I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA	Possible bad brake booster. Disconnect ALL external vacuum lines, including vacuum advance and plug the sources......

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: 05dakota] #1168295 01/30/12 06:13 PM 01/30/12 06:13 PM
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newvcode super stock N Joined: May 2004 Posts: 847 Surface of the SUN	Quote: big vacum leak No doubt!!! Also check throttle plates and rod bushings... shoot some WD40 in the bushing sides if it revs.... they're toast.

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: kenz] #1168296 01/30/12 06:25 PM 01/30/12 06:25 PM
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RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Change the intake gaskets & get the composition ones & use Permatex "high tack" the red stuff in a spray can & use a thick/wide carefully placed swath of clear silicone on the front/rear rails in place of the gaskets letting it sit up overnight as the supplied front/rear gaskets can be too thick but if a massive vac leak it'd have to be an intake/head interface gasket/alignment prob I'd think live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: RapidRobert] #1168297 01/30/12 09:41 PM 01/30/12 09:41 PM
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kenz OP mopar K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 559 Scottsdale, AZ	The engine has never run correctly. We bought a rebuilt long block and have been trying to get it running. Here's what has been done so far. 1- Started with a new Edelbrock Performer manifold and 600 cfm carb. 2- Changed the carb to a new Edelbrock 650 cfm 3- Changed manifold to a new Weiand Action Plus Intake gaskets are Fel-Pro composite with a light coating of RTV and RTV on the end rails. Throughout all of this all vacuum lines are disconnected and plugged. We've sprayed carb cleaner all over the carb and manifold while the engine is running after each change. There is no change in the idle so I can't see how it's pulling air from outside the engine. I suspect an intake manifold to head mismatch but since we've tried 2 different brand new manifolds I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with one or both heads. There's nothing else it could be, is there? Thanks, Ken Mopars Unlimited of Arizona www.moparsaz.com

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: kenz] #1168298 01/30/12 09:46 PM 01/30/12 09:46 PM
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OldMoparMan enthusiast O Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 245 Western PA	Does it have an EGR valve or similar smog valve if so check it or plug the lines off and try running the engine Living with ALS help support the search for a cure Thanks http://web.alsa.org/site/TR/Walks/WesternPennsylvania?team_id=347781&pg=team&fr_id=12069

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: kenz] #1168299 01/30/12 10:21 PM 01/30/12 10:21 PM
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RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: The engine has never run correctly. Might switch gears & check true TDC on the dampener & dont remem if you mentioned what it is timed at. rotor phasing acceptable. EGR closed. Kind of WAG ing here. I enjoy 318's, wish I was closer to give you a hand live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: RapidRobert] #1168300 01/30/12 10:36 PM 01/30/12 10:36 PM
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kenz OP mopar K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 559 Scottsdale, AZ	Quote: Quote: The engine has never run correctly. Might switch gears & check true TDC on the dampener & dont remem if you mentioned what it is timed at. rotor phasing acceptable. EGR closed. Kind of WAG ing here. I enjoy 318's, wish I was closer to give you a hand We verified tdc and degreed the cam to make sure everything was correct. Plus it was a good learning experience for my son. :-) The timing is set at 18 degrees btdc. There is no egr. Not sure about rotor phasing but I forgot to mention that we tried both a rebuilt stock distributor and a MP unit. Made no difference. We've spent so much trying new parts that I guess we should have just bought a crate motor. :-( Thanks again for the help. Ken Mopars Unlimited of Arizona www.moparsaz.com

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: kenz] #1168301 01/30/12 10:42 PM 01/30/12 10:42 PM
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RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Sure is pointing to a vac leak. We're gonna laugh when we find it live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: kenz] #1168302 01/31/12 09:10 PM 01/31/12 09:10 PM
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Supercuda About to go away Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,889 up yours	Quote: If you cover the carb on a running engine, it should die, right? The 318 in our 73 Duster will keep running when we cover the carb with a cloth. CLOTH? gonna keep running. The cloth is essentially an air filter. They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.

Re: Engine should die, right? [Re: Supercuda] #1168303 01/31/12 10:06 PM 01/31/12 10:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 559 Scottsdale, AZ K kenz OP mopar
kenz OP mopar K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 559 Scottsdale, AZ	Quote: Quote: If you cover the carb on a running engine, it should die, right? The 318 in our 73 Duster will keep running when we cover the carb with a cloth. CLOTH? gonna keep running. The cloth is essentially an air filter. I used a shop rag with my hands over it just to be sure. I'm fairly certain no air was getting into the top of the carb. :-) Mopars Unlimited of Arizona www.moparsaz.com

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