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Tore into the engine tonight....UPDATE 2 #1162296 01/21/12 11:13 PM 01/21/12 11:13 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West 4 408strokerdart OP master
408strokerdart OP master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West	Found three rockers with so much lash that I am surprised I didn't loose the push rods or lash caps. I stopped with the feeler gauges when I was around .085" so they were real loose. I knew something was wrong when I pulled the intake and found three ports dark when the other five were clean. All three were intake rockers on those "dark" cylinders. I was well past the point where I should have run the valves, but this was a surprise since there was nothing to indicate anything was wrong. No noise, misfire, popping....nothing. I will be replacing the lifters anyway, but what else could have suffered? Can't believe this just went a mid 5.8 in this condition. Last edited by 408strokerdart; 02/23/12 02:04 AM.

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: 408strokerdart] #1162297 01/21/12 11:28 PM 01/21/12 11:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	Check that the ball end on the pushrod and the lifter/rocker adjuster to make sure the radius matches and also check that the adjuster hasn't pushed the threads in the rocker. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: dartman366] #1162298 01/21/12 11:46 PM 01/21/12 11:46 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West 4 408strokerdart OP master
408strokerdart OP master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West	Quote: Check that the ball end on the pushrod and the lifter/rocker adjuster to make sure the radius matches and also check that the adjuster hasn't pushed the threads in the rocker. Will take a good look at those items tomorrow.

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: 408strokerdart] #1162299 01/21/12 11:53 PM 01/21/12 11:53 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 117 buffalo, new york 0 00snake530 member
00snake530 member 0 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 117 buffalo, new york	last time i had a loose rocker like that the cam lobe went flat 70 Challenger r/t 4 speed 00 Viper gts 67 satellite pro street 03 Ferrari 360 spider 50 chevy fleetline deluxe 15 Escalade (daily)

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: 408strokerdart] #1162300 01/21/12 11:55 PM 01/21/12 11:55 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo. S supercomp master
supercomp master S Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo.	Do you run rollers?

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: 00snake530] #1162301 01/22/12 12:00 AM 01/22/12 12:00 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West 4 408strokerdart OP master
408strokerdart OP master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West	Quote: last time i had a loose rocker like that the cam lobe went flat Cam is getting re-ground anyway...

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: supercomp] #1162302 01/22/12 12:01 AM 01/22/12 12:01 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West 4 408strokerdart OP master
408strokerdart OP master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West	Quote: Do you run rollers? Yes. Crane ultra pro.

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: 408strokerdart] #1162303 01/22/12 12:28 AM 01/22/12 12:28 AM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo. S supercomp master
supercomp master S Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo.	I would check the rollers.

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: supercomp] #1162304 01/22/12 10:06 AM 01/22/12 10:06 AM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,027 Trumbull,CT. J jim sciortino top fuel
jim sciortino top fuel J Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,027 Trumbull,CT.	Check every single thing....leave no stone unturned. You are going to pick up quite nicely when you square it all away.

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: 408strokerdart] #1162305 01/22/12 10:26 AM 01/22/12 10:26 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Brian I forget what rockers you are running but some of the adjusters are junk and will pull the threads out and were soft so the push rods beat the cups... also as said check the dia of the cup to the PR ball... 3/8 balls DONT FIT on any of the cups

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1162306 01/22/12 10:31 AM 01/22/12 10:31 AM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 941 Texas, USA ChrgrCuda super stock
ChrgrCuda super stock Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 941 Texas, USA	Can't believe it ran as well as it did. As mentioned before, you're going to Pick up substantial gains. 68 Cuda Notchback [Email]10.86@120[/Email] 69 Charger R/T 440/505 2009 Challenger SRT8

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: ChrgrCuda] #1162307 01/22/12 10:36 AM 01/22/12 10:36 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Can't believe it ran as well as it did. As mentioned before, you're going to Pick up substantial gains. I really doubt it will pick up much at all... JMO

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1162308 01/22/12 11:11 AM 01/22/12 11:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	Quote: Quote: Can't believe it ran as well as it did. As mentioned before, you're going to Pick up substantial gains. I really doubt it will pick up much at all... JMO I agree,,if it picks up at all it will be negligable. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1162309 01/22/12 12:13 PM 01/22/12 12:13 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,027 Trumbull,CT. J jim sciortino top fuel
jim sciortino top fuel J Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,027 Trumbull,CT.	When he gets a representative camshaft in that thing, along with a couple other "things", it will pick up accordingly.

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: dartman366] #1162310 01/22/12 12:49 PM 01/22/12 12:49 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 12,587 Great Neck,LI,new york hemi-itis I Live Here
hemi-itis I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 12,587 Great Neck,LI,new york	Quote: Quote: Quote: Can't believe it ran as well as it did. As mentioned before, you're going to Pick up substantial gains. I really doubt it will pick up much at all... JMO I agree,,if it picks up at all it will be negligable. How could it NOT pick up when these issues are corrected??? HEMI-ITIS has no cure. My condition is fully BLOWN!!

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: 408strokerdart] #1162311 01/22/12 01:06 PM 01/22/12 01:06 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND fishy340 master
fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	there goes the answer to when u said it ran piggish,,,that 75hp those 3 rockers being out that far

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: hemi-itis] #1162312 01/22/12 01:07 PM 01/22/12 01:07 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Can't believe it ran as well as it did. As mentioned before, you're going to Pick up substantial gains. I really doubt it will pick up much at all... JMO I agree,,if it picks up at all it will be negligable. How could it NOT pick up when these issues are corrected??? If he were to just correct the problem it wouldnt change much at all... I've been there... but he is regrinding the cam so we wont know for sure

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: 408strokerdart] #1162313 01/22/12 01:16 PM 01/22/12 01:16 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND fishy340 master
fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	my dad(73yrs old)at the time, had a j headed headed 340 built,the @%#$ who built it,did dyno it and gave my pop 2 dyno sheets 1st was 459 2nd was 22hp less..i was pissed,he did it with us not there we live 2 miles away..put motor in the car heard some knocking under the stock valve covers and found pushrod tip broke and the cup on the rocker... there was the 20 or so hp! dont know why he the builder was never curiouse to know where the power went..well the guy who did it is close to workin for advanced auto parts now...shame his dad was a great machinist and builder.

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: fishy340] #1162314 01/22/12 02:00 PM 01/22/12 02:00 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,618 long island NY A Ari440 master
Ari440 master A Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,618 long island NY	Quote: my dad(73yrs old)at the time, had a j headed headed 340 built,the @%#$ who built it,did dyno it and gave my pop 2 dyno sheets 1st was 459 2nd was 22hp less..i was pissed,he did it with us not there we live 2 miles away..put motor in the car heard some knocking under the stock valve covers and found pushrod tip broke and the cup on the rocker... there was the 20 or so hp! dont know why he the builder was never curiouse to know where the power went..well the guy who did it is close to workin for advanced auto parts now...shame his dad was a great machinist and builder. is this B&B ??? 1.39 9.85 - 137 mph

Re: Tore into the engine tonight.... [Re: Ari440] #1162315 01/22/12 02:13 PM 01/22/12 02:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,372 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,372 Las Vegas	Sounds like it is time to junk it and get something with more power Seriously as has been said already check everything over very well. Leave no stone unturned.. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

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