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Re: Just how bad is..... [Re: Jeepmon] #1130963
12/13/11 10:48 PM
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Don't drink the Kool-Aide! If .007 is acceptable, .010 will be fine with that big of a bore and forged pistons. That difference in clearance isn't going to cause the rings to not seal properly, sure it may not be the absolute best possible but you'll never know the difference if you stop worrying about it. Not having any taper in the bore and setting the end gap on the rings where it needs to be will be the important things, probably .018-.019".

Re: Just how bad is..... [Re: Jeepmon] #1130964
12/13/11 11:10 PM
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Spoke with JE Pistons.. the pistons I have are old as they have no engraving on them.. and also, JE would like to see a max clearance of .0045..

So it looks like I will be shopping for new pistons..

Thanks to everyone for their assistance


Don, that is a bunch of baloney sauce JE, Arias,Forged True and most of the other Hi Po piston makers made there original forged race pistons in the loose alloy aluminum, hence they wanted .007+ piston to wall clearances. It was in the last ten to twenty years that the pistons companys started offering the tight alloy forged aluminum pistons for custom engine builders for street use, .0040+ clearances. It sounds like the person you contacted at JE wanted to make a sell, they do work on commision Go to JE web site and see if they have in thier tech section the way to tell which alloy your pistons are I think Ross tells you to look at the bottom edge of the oil ring groove, if it is cut with a 45 degree angle it is one alloy, if it isn't cut it is the other alloy JE was sold several years ago by the Calvert brothers, not John Calvert of Cal Tracs, I think The Calvert Bros. started CP Pisons after the non compete clause expired with the purchasers of JE Pistons. I think they sold CP pistons recently also or maybe they bought Carillo rods and merged the two comanys together There has to be a way to tell Let us know what you do and find out


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: Just how bad is..... [Re: Cab_Burge] #1130965
12/14/11 12:04 AM
12/14/11 12:04 AM
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The only identification on the pistons is the forging number.. (or so I'm told) That number is "JE 314F" and is located on the bottom side of the piston..

Being that there is no engraving on the piston, this is suggesting the pistons are pre-2004 as that is when JE started the engraving program.. So not only are we dealing with a piston that fits a little loose in the bore, but its also getting on 7 or 8 years in age..

I dont know if the age means anything towards reliability, but I would hate to toast a motor because I got cheap..

Re: Just how bad is..... [Re: Jeepmon] #1130966
12/14/11 12:14 AM
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Tried to do a little research for you but all I found is were the numbers should be. Sorry.
http://www.jepistons.com/TechCorner/HowToIdentify.aspx


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

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Re: Just how bad is..... [Re: pittsburghracer] #1130967
12/14/11 12:21 AM
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Tried to do a little research for you but all I found is were the numbers should be. Sorry.
http://www.jepistons.com/TechCorner/HowToIdentify.aspx




I found this page when I was searching earlier.. But thanks very much for taking the time and trouble to help...

Re: Just how bad is..... [Re: Jeepmon] #1130968
12/14/11 01:38 AM
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I will probably get flamed by the you shouldn't do that Mopar crew, but year ago I had a good year going and developed a blow-by issue on an engine that should have been gone through over the past Winter. The funds were not there and I had some choices to make. Try to make another season or sit out the year. I chose to race and like I said had a good season going. When she started puffing smoke I quickly pulled the engine, ripped her down, and took some measurements. .011 clearance so I made some calls to some old time machinists and do you know what they recommended? A fresh hone job and buy some broken sets ( rings set back with missing or broken rings ) and rebuild it with cast rings. At that time all broken sets were set to California so I ordered 3 incomplete sets ( at a great price ) and I put it together. Cast rings only no moly ring. You won't believe how well the engine ran. After the season it became a backup engine that was put to use for years to come. Rant on if you want to but trust me it worked.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Just how bad is..... [Re: pittsburghracer] #1130969
12/14/11 02:11 AM
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Too cool .............My pistons are around .007 this time around and I hear no loose pistons in my motor. Revs nicely and thats w/moly top napier 2nd(both back cut)and med oil rings...........You may coat em for peace of mind although that only lasts so long anyhow.


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