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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: W8n2DustU] #1095132
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From what i can tell from studying this for the last few weeks is it would be beneficial to do the allaluminum W8 package. I have a brand new block and access to some good heads. I already have all the other things from BS3 to the turbo. I will go ahead and purchase a new SE Challenger. Anyone need a new V6? Lol. Anyone know the best places to get the Dragpak specific glass and other light weight components? Anyone making carbon parts? Also which front suspension is better?




I know Afco makes upgraded struts for the front, not sure if Santuff does or not.


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: sdaurity] #1095133
10/18/11 11:01 PM
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Honestly I do not think the rules are good for a nitrous bb mopar.




I agree on the BB chrysler not having a chance against a new set of headhunters.

I say "BS" on the not having a chance...We ran 5.20's with a junk 540 with 440-1 heads @ 3200# on a 28X10.5...Going to be putting this bullet in the Fish(588 indy max block with B1 heads and all the good stuff).Motor makes 1100ish n/a and i expect to loose around 50-75 hp when we change the sheet metal tunnel ram over to a cast single...Will we set any records,NO, but i think we can be very competitive on 275'S if we throw enough money at it ...BTW i'll be keeping my 28X10.5 tires and wheels close by just in case...

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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: Gary Robbins] #1095134
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Gary.....hows the silver fish coming buddy!

i look forward to seeing that thing in action at Monster Mopar next year!!!!!! Not just the check that says you should have been here!!!

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: joshking440] #1095135
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Gary.....hows the silver fish coming buddy!

i look forward to seeing that thing in action at Monster Mopar next year!!!!!! Not just the check that says you should have been here!!!


Going good Josh...About got it ready for paint and then its assemble,wire and plumb on our end WE want miss the next one for sure...

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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: Gary Robbins] #1095136
10/19/11 03:46 AM
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why only 10.2 deck height... there goes the classic HEMI head option...


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: W8n2DustU] #1095137
10/19/11 04:16 AM
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Arrington used to carry Carbon Deck Lids and Hoods.

Only place I know to get the DragPac suspension pieces is through Mopar Dealers?????

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: Gary Robbins] #1095138
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Honestly I do not think the rules are good for a nitrous bb mopar.




I agree on the BB chrysler not having a chance against a new set of headhunters.

I say "BS" on the not having a chance...We ran 5.20's with a junk 540 with 440-1 heads @ 3200# on a 28X10.5...Going to be putting this bullet in the Fish(588 indy max block with B1 heads and all the good stuff).Motor makes 1100ish n/a and i expect to loose around 50-75 hp when we change the sheet metal tunnel ram over to a cast single...Will we set any records,NO, but i think we can be very competitive on 275'S if we throw enough money at it ...BTW i'll be keeping my 28X10.5 tires and wheels close by just in case...





So what do you think you can run with that engine (one carb cast intake),one gun, 275's, and 3400 lbs? Thats what you would have to be by x275 rules. Oh and dont forget the 50lbs for ladder bars so how fast @3450 lbs ?


One day I will have something cool here.
Re: mopars and X275 [Re: sdaurity] #1095139
10/19/11 11:34 AM
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3450 would be tall deck and ladder bar. How much hp do you think you can get on one kit on that b-1 is the question? And still get down the track on a 275.


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: W8n2DustU] #1095140
10/19/11 12:13 PM
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From what i can tell from studying this for the last few weeks is it would be beneficial to do the allaluminum W8 package. I have a brand new block and access to some good heads. I already have all the other things from BS3 to the turbo. I will go ahead and purchase a new SE Challenger. Anyone need a new V6? Lol. Anyone know the best places to get the Dragpak specific glass and other light weight components? Anyone making carbon parts? Also which front suspension is better?




there is a build book availble through mopar that has alot of part numbers for this. you may want to look into it. i think its 13-15$


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: 1967dartgt] #1095141
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3450 would be tall deck and ladder bar. How much hp do you think you can get on one kit on that b-1 is the question? And still get down the track on a 275.





His 588 aint a low deck.LOL
One of my buddys this past weekend in georgia went 4.94 in a 02 camaro 565bbc dart pro 1 345cc heads nothing special. On a 44 jet with the foggers split and a ton of launch retard and gear retard. Anymore nitrous and will have to go back to a progressive but I think a BB has to have at least a 44-48 jet to run good.


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: DakFink] #1095142
10/19/11 02:17 PM
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Arrington used to carry Carbon Deck Lids and Hoods.

Only place I know to get the DragPac suspension pieces is through Mopar Dealers?????




John Holt race cars. They have what you need as far as suspension goes for those cars. Call them and ask for Ben he will hook you up.

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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: sdaurity] #1095143
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Will we set any records,NO, but i think we can be very competitive on 275'S if we throw enough money at it ...BTW i'll be keeping my 28X10.5 tires and wheels close by just in case...





So what do you think you can run with that engine (one carb cast intake),one gun, 275's, and 3400 lbs? Thats what you would have to be by x275 rules. Oh and dont forget the 50lbs for ladder bars so how fast @3450 lbs ?




Re-read my post,no where did i say we would rule the roost...Not in anyway trying to start a pissin match,just saying i think we could be competitive with a BBM...Besides i'm building my car to run my area not back east or southeast,way to much racing going on around here to worry about everyone else...

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: Gary Robbins] #1095144
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Will we set any records,NO, but i think we can be very competitive on 275'S if we throw enough money at it ...BTW i'll be keeping my 28X10.5 tires and wheels close by just in case...





So what do you think you can run with that engine (one carb cast intake),one gun, 275's, and 3400 lbs? Thats what you would have to be by x275 rules. Oh and dont forget the 50lbs for ladder bars so how fast @3450 lbs ?




Re-read my post,no where did i say we would rule the roost...Not in anyway trying to start a pissin match,just saying i think we could be competitive with a BBM...Besides i'm building my car to run my area not back east or southeast,way to much racing going on around here to worry about everyone else...






Gettin touchy there old man. I just asked how fast do you think you can go? Where in any of that am I trying to start an argument. Did you notice the question mark at the end?


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: sdaurity] #1095145
10/19/11 04:29 PM
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I think they may give the sb nitrous a 50-100lb break and take off 50 for ladder bars. IMO I have not heard anything this is just my opinion. And if they do that how much weight do you think you could have to play with steven?





I'm really not 100%. The only thing I really have to go by is my old nitrous set-up, and I asked the guy with the blue duster running 5.70 this past weekend was 2850 with driver but he was 10 point cage, w-9 engine, 904, glass hood and doors, tubular front end, nice wheels brakes etc. My old car with homemade front steer set-up, all steel exept hood, bumpers factory glass. BB lowdeck, 727, 9" iron center, 12 point mild cage, 1 10 lb bottle, 3 gallon cell, all the weight out with me in it (im 240) was 3090lbs. Like my car is currently with turbo,intercooler,ice tank, water tank and all is 3275. My new car is going to have glass hood, bumpers, doors, decklid, lexan winsheild, alum center section, a ton more bars but will be moly. I think I can do it, and I do agree the only weight that will be ajusted will be nitrous sb with the turbo,blower,n2oBB being so close and a few numbers faster.



I have the Blue Duster it's all Steel with a glass hood, glass bolt on deck lid with the factory torsion rods in the trunk, and glass bumpers. All factory glass, steel doors, with all window regulators everything works. Two seats, carpet, factory dash, headliner, basically full interior minus the back seat. 12 point chrome molly cage, power glide, Dana 60, it has a huge radiator two 12" electric fans, an aluminum 12 gallon fuel cell. Hoosier 315 Drag Radials, ladder bars. I did not want a hulled out shell of what used to be a Duster. The only thing it doesn't have to be street legal is wipers and a horn. It's 2845 with Me in the car and I weight 225 lbs. I defiantly think you can be light if you put your mind to it...
I would Love to put a single Pro Charger or a Turbo but this is my first full season running it and Im having a Blast in my local Real Street 5.70 class.... It's was An Awesome weekend I Won Saturday and was Runner up on Sunday!!! I Won the first 5.70 they had in February. Not bragging just having a Great Season!!! Mopars To The Front MF'ers.....


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: cold85] #1095146
10/19/11 07:06 PM
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anyway you look at this class,its super tuff and really comes down to the TUNE,not who has the most power...TUNE TUNE TUNE thats what wins this class

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: sdaurity] #1095147
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Gettin touchy there old man. I just asked how fast do you think you can go? Where in any of that am I trying to start an argument. Did you notice the question mark at the end?




No worries here ...It takes a lot more than a young pup on the net to rile me up To answer your question:Grudge racing,weighing as lite as we can, we hope 4.80'S...28X10.5 we have to weigh from 3000# to 3200# around here and shooting for 4.90'S to 5.00'S...275 radial we'll just have to see as we've never been on radials but we do like to test.Looking at the tire it looks the same size as the 28X10.5 we run,but i understand it will be a hole new world..........

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: fishy340] #1095148
10/19/11 07:21 PM
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Tuning and power management are the keys. But first you have to have the ability to make as much power as the front runners. Also having a solid chassis that's not ill handling on such a small tire. Every part of the combo will have to be tweaked to perfection to have a front running combo. Its like the ADRLs 10.5 class. They all make enough power to win. It comes down to who has their act together on a given weekend.


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Re: mopars and X275 [Re: sdaurity] #1095149
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His 588 aint a low deck.LOL
One of my buddys this past weekend in georgia went 4.94 in a 02 camaro 565bbc dart pro 1 345cc heads nothing special. On a 44 jet with the foggers split and a ton of launch retard and gear retard. Anymore nitrous and will have to go back to a progressive but I think a BB has to have at least a 44-48 jet to run good.






I'm a little out of date on the nitrous setups: what is a split fogger? Does it still count as one system then? I get the launch retard and gear retard, pretty self-explanatory.

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: DusterMel] #1095150
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hey Mel have u ever tried a 1/4 pass in that badboy? just curiouse

Re: mopars and X275 [Re: fishy340] #1095151
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hey Mel have u ever tried a 1/4 pass in that badboy? just curiouse



I tried to once but it blew the tires off!!! I was on the show Pass Time. It went a full second slower than normal in the 1/8 6.68 1/8 and 10.00 @146 1/4 I know it had to have killed some MPH as well. I have been 5.66 in August in FL hot as hell and crapy air...


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