Posted By: W8n2DustU
mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 12:59 AM
Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
mopars and X275
Posted By: n20mstr
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 01:02 AM
they consider any b1 head a conventional head....
572 b1 motor
1 big fogger
3300 lbs ladder bar
3250 leaf spring
572 b1 motor
1 big fogger
3300 lbs ladder bar
3250 leaf spring
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 04:04 AM
Quote:
they consider any b1 head a conventional head....
572 b1 motor
1 big fogger
3300 lbs ladder bar
3250 leaf spring
That would make a nice combo for X275. But can you get that torque hooked up on a 275?
Posted By: DakFink
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 04:08 AM
Quote:
Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
Really need to know the Rules and how they are worded, of the Track or series or event you'll be running in. I have had an eye-opener lately at how much the rules actually vary all in the name of the same class. From track to Track and series to series or even event to event.
I have seen stock suspension written as "Bolted to stock location", which means you could use anything that would bolt in. I have also seen it say "Stock Style or Type", if they use that wording you would be stuck with a Torsion Bar front suspension.
That being said:
About your best 2 option for Stock Suspension, (which is the Norm for X275) would be.
1. a-body with cal-tracs and Tubular front suspension and K-frame that bolts into factory locations (If allowed). And Fiberglass everywhere allowed.
2. would be a 1979-1993 Mustang with a Mopar Power plant in it.
One of my co-workers has a 1983 Mustang (Chevy Powered) in this class and he's constantly nagging me to either sell him my motor or scrap my Dakota and get a Mustang to put my motor in.
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 04:21 AM
Quote:Quote:
Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
Really need to know the Rules and how they are worded, of the Track or series or event you'll be running in. I have had an eye-opener lately at how much the rules actually vary all in the name of the same class. From track to Track and series to series or even event to event.
I have seen stock suspension written as "Bolted to stock location", which means you could use anything that would bolt in. I have also seen it say "Stock Style or Type", if they use that wording you would be stuck with a Torsion Bar front suspension.
That being said:
About your best 2 option for Stock Suspension, (which is the Norm for X275) would be.
1. a-body with cal-tracs and Tubular front suspension and K-frame that bolts into factory locations (If allowed). And Fiberglass everywhere allowed.
2. would be a 1979-1993 Mustang with a Mopar Power plant in it.
One of my co-workers has a 1983 Mustang (Chevy Powered) in this class and he's constantly nagging me to either sell him my motor or scrap my Dakota and get a Mustang to put my motor in.
He is saying X275 it is the same rules on the whole east coast and mid west!!!!!! As also stated in the last x275 thread NO TWIN TURBOS IN X275.
Posted By: joshking440
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 04:42 AM
I'm in the bleachers watching the x275 class. There are 88 cars here in the class it's a 32 car field and #1 is 4.81 #4 is 4.88 and the bump is 5.07.
Posted By: joshking440
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 04:45 AM
And I just watched a leaf spring camaro go 4.60 at 170 with leaf springs and cal tracks. Just in case you don't think the cal trace will get it done.
Posted By: Get-X
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 04:48 AM
Well, to run out front nationally you have to run 4.80 1/8 miles and to do that you need to make 1500+ hp at x275 weight. BES built chevy BB's with big chief heads are getting it done, but Mopars can't run Predators or PS Hemi heads. Max effort BES 11* big chiefs flow 556 cfm @1". That is as much as my Hemi99 flows, yet the Hemi head is outlawed. Predators flow less and aren't legal either. So you're faced with trying to use a B1-MC or PSO, which is like 470 cfm.
I personally believe the smallblock n2o combo would be a better package. A good w8/9 purpose built, max effort nitrous engine could compete with SBF SBC engines. The smallblock isn't that far behind the BB in hp and gets to weigh a lot less. The sb runs @2950, can use any induction and multiple carbs and as many kits as you want. The bb runs @3250 lbs, can only run a cast manifold with a single carb and one kit only.
I personally believe the smallblock n2o combo would be a better package. A good w8/9 purpose built, max effort nitrous engine could compete with SBF SBC engines. The smallblock isn't that far behind the BB in hp and gets to weigh a lot less. The sb runs @2950, can use any induction and multiple carbs and as many kits as you want. The bb runs @3250 lbs, can only run a cast manifold with a single carb and one kit only.
Posted By: joshking440
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 05:25 AM
4.79 just layer down. Fastest x275 ever.
Posted By: joshking440
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 05:41 AM
Correction. New record 4.785
FYI that was done with a conventional headed 565 BBC
FYI that was done with a conventional headed 565 BBC
Posted By: j.mcconnell
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 05:48 AM
Chad Branson, "cold85" just went 4.94 with the turbo ford powered Dart
Posted By: Allan_G
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 06:04 AM
Where are you guys watching this? Live feed?
Posted By: SB412DUSTER
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 06:35 AM
Quote:
Where are you guys watching this? Live feed?
This is the race they are talking about, it will be back on tomorrow. just click the live feed
http://dragstory.com/ws/
Posted By: Allan_G
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 06:50 AM
Thanks much!
Posted By: DakFink
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 08:29 AM
Quote:Quote:Quote:
Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
Really need to know the Rules and how they are worded, of the Track or series or event you'll be running in. I have had an eye-opener lately at how much the rules actually vary all in the name of the same class. From track to Track and series to series or even event to event.
I have seen stock suspension written as "Bolted to stock location", which means you could use anything that would bolt in. I have also seen it say "Stock Style or Type", if they use that wording you would be stuck with a Torsion Bar front suspension.
That being said:
About your best 2 option for Stock Suspension, (which is the Norm for X275) would be.
1. a-body with cal-tracs and Tubular front suspension and K-frame that bolts into factory locations (If allowed). And Fiberglass everywhere allowed.
2. would be a 1979-1993 Mustang with a Mopar Power plant in it.
One of my co-workers has a 1983 Mustang (Chevy Powered) in this class and he's constantly nagging me to either sell him my motor or scrap my Dakota and get a Mustang to put my motor in.
He is saying X275 it is the same rules on the whole east coast and mid west!!!!!! As also stated in the last x275 thread NO TWIN TURBOS IN X275.
3 different tracks / events 3 different sets of rules all on 275's being the only thing that's the same. Call it 275, 8.5" or X275 fact is not all tracks or events call it the same or run the same rules except that the tire is the same. If you want to stick with the X275 designation then many tracks don't even run that class.
Same goes with Outlaw 10.5 and True 10.5.
http://king-of-the-streets.org/Street%20Race%20Rules%202012.htm
http://www.houstonoutlawracing.com/extreme_street_10.5.aspx
http://www.shakedownatetown.com/class_rules.html
That's just 3 that have been pointed out to me recently when I was looking where to put my Dakota Based on how I want to build it.
At Shakedown I could get in any 10.5 class I want as long as I could qualify. At Houston Outlaws I could only get in their ProMod class, some rule in all other 10.5 classes would put me out.
Posted By: lowbudget
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 01:35 PM
I know around this area one of the front runners is Chris Evans...procharged sbf, actually theres quite a few running that combo, fox body mustang of course. But then theres also Ron Rhodes who has run in the 4s with a small block on Nos with a first gen Camaro on Nos and hes only running 23* heads and leaf springs at that. Main thing is its gonna take alot of testing to get it right and dealing with varying track conditions as the tires are tempermental
Posted By: fishy340
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/16/11 02:15 PM
yes twin 88's sb! a bb all motor will never get the power to the little tires,bb on spray with a killer tune 
maybe
maybe
Posted By: 8secDart
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 12:51 AM
Anybody alse see Chad putting on a show.Damn that is a KICKA$$ Dart!!
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 02:17 AM
Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:
Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
Really need to know the Rules and how they are worded, of the Track or series or event you'll be running in. I have had an eye-opener lately at how much the rules actually vary all in the name of the same class. From track to Track and series to series or even event to event.
I have seen stock suspension written as "Bolted to stock location", which means you could use anything that would bolt in. I have also seen it say "Stock Style or Type", if they use that wording you would be stuck with a Torsion Bar front suspension.
That being said:
About your best 2 option for Stock Suspension, (which is the Norm for X275) would be.
1. a-body with cal-tracs and Tubular front suspension and K-frame that bolts into factory locations (If allowed). And Fiberglass everywhere allowed.
2. would be a 1979-1993 Mustang with a Mopar Power plant in it.
One of my co-workers has a 1983 Mustang (Chevy Powered) in this class and he's constantly nagging me to either sell him my motor or scrap my Dakota and get a Mustang to put my motor in.
He is saying X275 it is the same rules on the whole east coast and mid west!!!!!! As also stated in the last x275 thread NO TWIN TURBOS IN X275.
3 different tracks / events 3 different sets of rules all on 275's being the only thing that's the same. Call it 275, 8.5" or X275 fact is not all tracks or events call it the same or run the same rules except that the tire is the same. If you want to stick with the X275 designation then many tracks don't even run that class.
Same goes with Outlaw 10.5 and True 10.5.
http://king-of-the-streets.org/Street%20Race%20Rules%202012.htm
http://www.houstonoutlawracing.com/extreme_street_10.5.aspx
http://www.shakedownatetown.com/class_rules.html
That's just 3 that have been pointed out to me recently when I was looking where to put my Dakota Based on how I want to build it.
At Shakedown I could get in any 10.5 class I want as long as I could qualify. At Houston Outlaws I could only get in their ProMod class, some rule in all other 10.5 classes would put me out.
Only one of those events had X275(shakedown) all the others had different classes.If you want to run X275 you have to do it at one of the dozen or so tracks that run their events(MIR,CECIL,ATCO,VALDOSA,PEIDMONT,etc). If you choose to run at tracks that have different rules so be it. You need to pick a class and build your car for that class and not all these different classes you keep bringing up. If you try and build for all these seperate classes your car would probally not be real competive in any.
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 02:28 AM
Here is the tracks X275 is run at
MARCH 2011
Southern Shakedown at PBIR: 3/4 and 3/5 Ronnie Wilson Winner(Nitrous)
Virginia Motorsports Park: 3/26 RESCHEDULED for APRIL 2
APRIL 2011
MIR: 4/1
PBIR/SHRA #2 4/1 and 4/2
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 4/2
Cecil County: 4/2
Piedmont: 4/3
Rockingham Civil Wars: 4/8 4/10
ATCO 4/15
MIR: 4/22
VMP: 4/23
National Trail Raceway/Unlimited Outlaws Columbus, Ohio 4/23
New England Dragway 4/30
Cecil County: 4/30
MAY 2011
Capital Raceway: 5/7
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 5/7
Piedmont: 5/14
MIR: 5/20
ATCO 5/21
Milan, Mich: 5/21
New England Dragway: 5/21
Piedmont Ultimate Outlaws: 5/28
New England Dragway: 5/28
JUNE 2011
Cecil County: 6/4
VMP: 6/4
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 6/4
Piedmont: 6/11
ATCO 6/11
Milan Ultimate Outlaws: 6/11
New England Dragway 6/12
MIR: 6/17
Milan, Mich: 6/25
JULY 2011
Cecil County: 7/2
Piedmont: 7/9
Cecil Ultimate Outlaws: 7/9
New England Dragway: 7/16
ATCO 7/23
MIR East Coast Door Wars: 7/30
Milan, Mich: 7/30
AUGUST 2011
Cecil County: 8/6
MIR: 8/12
Piedmont: 8/13
Milan, Mich: 8/20
ATCO- 8/27
VMP: 8/27
New England Dragway: 8/27
SEPT 2011
Yellow Bullet Nationals Cecil County: 9/2 9/4
Piedmont: 9/10
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 9/10
National Trail Raceway/Unlimited Outlaws Columbus, Ohio 9/10
MIR Ultimate Outlaws: 9/17
Rockingham Civil Wars: 9/23 9/25
Milan, Mich: 9/24
OCTOBER 2011
Cecil: 10/1
Milan, Mich: 10/1
Piedmont: 10/6
Piedmont: 10/8
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 10/8
VMP: 10/8
SGMP 10/14 10/16 Radial Revolution No Mercy
New England Dragway: 10/15
ATCO 10/22
BMP 10/21 10/23 ODRC
NOV 2011
MIR 11/5 and 11/6 World Cup 1/4 mile
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 11/19
DEC 2011
Snowbird Nationals Bradenton 12/2 thru 12/4
MARCH 2011
Southern Shakedown at PBIR: 3/4 and 3/5 Ronnie Wilson Winner(Nitrous)
Virginia Motorsports Park: 3/26 RESCHEDULED for APRIL 2
APRIL 2011
MIR: 4/1
PBIR/SHRA #2 4/1 and 4/2
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 4/2
Cecil County: 4/2
Piedmont: 4/3
Rockingham Civil Wars: 4/8 4/10
ATCO 4/15
MIR: 4/22
VMP: 4/23
National Trail Raceway/Unlimited Outlaws Columbus, Ohio 4/23
New England Dragway 4/30
Cecil County: 4/30
MAY 2011
Capital Raceway: 5/7
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 5/7
Piedmont: 5/14
MIR: 5/20
ATCO 5/21
Milan, Mich: 5/21
New England Dragway: 5/21
Piedmont Ultimate Outlaws: 5/28
New England Dragway: 5/28
JUNE 2011
Cecil County: 6/4
VMP: 6/4
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 6/4
Piedmont: 6/11
ATCO 6/11
Milan Ultimate Outlaws: 6/11
New England Dragway 6/12
MIR: 6/17
Milan, Mich: 6/25
JULY 2011
Cecil County: 7/2
Piedmont: 7/9
Cecil Ultimate Outlaws: 7/9
New England Dragway: 7/16
ATCO 7/23
MIR East Coast Door Wars: 7/30
Milan, Mich: 7/30
AUGUST 2011
Cecil County: 8/6
MIR: 8/12
Piedmont: 8/13
Milan, Mich: 8/20
ATCO- 8/27
VMP: 8/27
New England Dragway: 8/27
SEPT 2011
Yellow Bullet Nationals Cecil County: 9/2 9/4
Piedmont: 9/10
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 9/10
National Trail Raceway/Unlimited Outlaws Columbus, Ohio 9/10
MIR Ultimate Outlaws: 9/17
Rockingham Civil Wars: 9/23 9/25
Milan, Mich: 9/24
OCTOBER 2011
Cecil: 10/1
Milan, Mich: 10/1
Piedmont: 10/6
Piedmont: 10/8
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 10/8
VMP: 10/8
SGMP 10/14 10/16 Radial Revolution No Mercy
New England Dragway: 10/15
ATCO 10/22
BMP 10/21 10/23 ODRC
NOV 2011
MIR 11/5 and 11/6 World Cup 1/4 mile
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 11/19
DEC 2011
Snowbird Nationals Bradenton 12/2 thru 12/4
Posted By: j.mcconnell
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 02:44 AM
Chad did go down but not before putting it way up and on the bumper
Posted By: DaKuda
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 04:44 AM
Just got back from Valdosta GA at the Outlaw Revolution race and watched a few Mopars running the class. ALL were running W9 headed smallblocks. One had a B1 BB but the smallblocks were eating his lunch. Also saw a late model Mustang running a W9 436" smallblock Mopar. He went 4.86 if I remember correctly. If you ask those guys they say the Mopar W's 7,8, and 9 are actually superior to the Chevy and Ford stuff.
Posted By: DaKuda
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 05:11 AM
Posted By: DaKuda
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 05:11 AM
Posted By: DaKuda
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 05:12 AM
Posted By: DakFink
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 08:59 AM
Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:
Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
Really need to know the Rules and how they are worded, of the Track or series or event you'll be running in. I have had an eye-opener lately at how much the rules actually vary all in the name of the same class. From track to Track and series to series or even event to event.
I have seen stock suspension written as "Bolted to stock location", which means you could use anything that would bolt in. I have also seen it say "Stock Style or Type", if they use that wording you would be stuck with a Torsion Bar front suspension.
That being said:
About your best 2 option for Stock Suspension, (which is the Norm for X275) would be.
1. a-body with cal-tracs and Tubular front suspension and K-frame that bolts into factory locations (If allowed). And Fiberglass everywhere allowed.
2. would be a 1979-1993 Mustang with a Mopar Power plant in it.
One of my co-workers has a 1983 Mustang (Chevy Powered) in this class and he's constantly nagging me to either sell him my motor or scrap my Dakota and get a Mustang to put my motor in.
He is saying X275 it is the same rules on the whole east coast and mid west!!!!!! As also stated in the last x275 thread NO TWIN TURBOS IN X275.
3 different tracks / events 3 different sets of rules all on 275's being the only thing that's the same. Call it 275, 8.5" or X275 fact is not all tracks or events call it the same or run the same rules except that the tire is the same. If you want to stick with the X275 designation then many tracks don't even run that class.
Same goes with Outlaw 10.5 and True 10.5.
http://king-of-the-streets.org/Street%20Race%20Rules%202012.htm
http://www.houstonoutlawracing.com/extreme_street_10.5.aspx
http://www.shakedownatetown.com/class_rules.html
That's just 3 that have been pointed out to me recently when I was looking where to put my Dakota Based on how I want to build it.
At Shakedown I could get in any 10.5 class I want as long as I could qualify. At Houston Outlaws I could only get in their ProMod class, some rule in all other 10.5 classes would put me out.
Only one of those events had X275(shakedown) all the others had different classes.If you want to run X275 you have to do it at one of the dozen or so tracks that run their events(MIR,CECIL,ATCO,VALDOSA,PEIDMONT,etc). If you choose to run at tracks that have different rules so be it. You need to pick a class and build your car for that class and not all these different classes you keep bringing up. If you try and build for all these seperate classes your car would probally not be real competive in any.
My point exactly!!! The original poster is in Midland/Odessa Texas. Not many tracks out there and not many in Texas that run X275 or any 275 rules.
It's a haul just to get out of Texas from where he's at.
Posted By: W8n2DustU
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 01:23 PM
Thanks for the replies. I would really like to build a new Challenger for the class. Install a Dragpak suspension, large W8 motor then decide NOS or EFI and forced induction. Will run the Texas X275 stuff but build the car to be competitive in Voldasta next year.
Posted By: Get-X
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 01:49 PM
Quote:
Thanks for the replies. I would really like to build a new Challenger for the class. Install a Dragpak suspension, large W8 motor then decide NOS or EFI and forced induction. Will run the Texas X275 stuff but build the car to be competitive in Voldasta next year.
I was very close to heading down that same road. I spoke with John Sears to make sure the Drag pak suspension would be legal and he assured me it would. I also spoke with Pete Harrel about building a turbo GenIII Hemi. The only thing holding me back is money!!
I crunched some numbers and realised to build a competitive car it was going to be VERY expensive.
Posted By: W8n2DustU
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 02:07 PM
I would go with the W8 or W9 build before the Gen III Hemi stuff for sure. A 420"+ motor with alot of r and d. Getting the car light will be the trick. I got alot of whats needed to build one. Need to contact a few chassis shops today. I will just buy a new 2011 SE Challenger. They have 0%. Cant beat that.
Posted By: BIGBLOCK_KAT
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 02:27 PM
Marty, Good luck luck with the car if you decide to go with it!
Posted By: joshking440
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 02:43 PM
The twin turbo mustang with small block mopar was a W8 not w9 and his fastest pass was a 5.11 but this was only the second outing with the car.
You will find that the x275 rules "John sears" rules as you may hear them called are becoming very popular. Indys true street class are similar and more and more tracks are going that way.
The b1 bb dart is rossio and that's an all motor car goin 5.70s there was also a blur duster with an all motor w9 that ran 5.70s Aaron Yates orange dart is a w8 2 kits going 5.20s and the other gold dart there had a chevy engine.
You will find that the x275 rules "John sears" rules as you may hear them called are becoming very popular. Indys true street class are similar and more and more tracks are going that way.
The b1 bb dart is rossio and that's an all motor car goin 5.70s there was also a blur duster with an all motor w9 that ran 5.70s Aaron Yates orange dart is a w8 2 kits going 5.20s and the other gold dart there had a chevy engine.
Posted By: Get-X
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 02:47 PM
I agree that a W8/9 turbo engine could compete. I think the GenIII Hemi can as well, just unsure of the blocks holding up and gasket sealing with a lot of manifold pressure. I'd be a little less apprehensive about spending the money on a GenIII Hemi if they had a proven race block like the W8/9 does. I'd probably build a little smaller engine around 400 ci.
I really just need to decide whether I really want to spend the money. I'd have to sell a few Harley's, my PS Hemi and possibly some other goodies to finance some of it so it would be a big commitment for me to do it. I really don't want to go into debt if I decide to build it. I have access to a body and have some of the parts as well, just need to take the plunge
.
If you decide to do it best of luck and keep us posted on your progress!
I really just need to decide whether I really want to spend the money. I'd have to sell a few Harley's, my PS Hemi and possibly some other goodies to finance some of it so it would be a big commitment for me to do it. I really don't want to go into debt if I decide to build it. I have access to a body and have some of the parts as well, just need to take the plunge
.If you decide to do it best of luck and keep us posted on your progress!
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 03:42 PM
You need to go to your track mangers and get X275 brought to your local track. I want to get nddra realstreet 275 up here in the northeast.Really like the class and feel its fits my budget much better then X275. Especially now that X275 is a 4.80 class. New record set at 4.78 this weekend, bump was a 5.07 for the class.
Posted By: Adrielp
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 03:53 PM
Quote:
You need to go to your track mangers and get X275 brought to your local track. I want to get nddra realstreet 275 up here in the northeast.Really like the class and feel its fits my budget much better then X275. Especially now that X275 is a 4.80 class. New record set at 4.78 this weekend, bump was a 5.07 for the class.
What about putting the Pro Stock Truck Hemi Engine on Nitrous. That should make a very nice 420ci engine or are those parts just to rare to build one. Where are the rich mopar guys when you need them, that combo should fly but it is uncharted territory.
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 03:56 PM
Don't think head is legal in X275.
Posted By: Get-X
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 03:57 PM
Quote:Quote:
You need to go to your track mangers and get X275 brought to your local track. I want to get nddra realstreet 275 up here in the northeast.Really like the class and feel its fits my budget much better then X275. Especially now that X275 is a 4.80 class. New record set at 4.78 this weekend, bump was a 5.07 for the class.
What about putting the Pro Stock Truck Hemi Engine on Nitrous. That should make a very nice 420ci engine or are those parts just to rare to build one. Where are the rich mopar guys when you need them, that combo should fly but it is uncharted territory.
I think someone is recasting the heads now. Not sure if they ever fixed the cracking problem though?
Posted By: Adrielp
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 04:04 PM
Quote:
Don't think head is legal in X275.
As I read the rules, there is nothing outlawing them. On the BB, they say only conventional heads which means the best would be traditional Hemi heads or B1's. But for small blocks, there is only a 100lbs weight penalty for SB's.
Posted By: Adrielp
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 04:08 PM
Quote:Quote:Quote:
You need to go to your track mangers and get X275 brought to your local track. I want to get nddra realstreet 275 up here in the northeast.Really like the class and feel its fits my budget much better then X275. Especially now that X275 is a 4.80 class. New record set at 4.78 this weekend, bump was a 5.07 for the class.
What about putting the Pro Stock Truck Hemi Engine on Nitrous. That should make a very nice 420ci engine or are those parts just to rare to build one. Where are the rich mopar guys when you need them, that combo should fly but it is uncharted territory.
I think someone is recasting the heads now. Not sure if they ever fixed the cracking problem though?
I talked to a longtime comp racer about that problem while I was in Indy as they run the same head on a four cylinder and he told me that with the way these guys port heads, that they all will crack due to them pushing for really good flow numbers. He just said they weld them up in those areas to fix them or to add more aluminum.
Posted By: W8n2DustU
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 07:15 PM
Teaxas X275 Rules:
Texas 275 rules
TeX275.com
2011 season
*Chassis*
1. Stock Front frame rails (must be in stock location).
2. Aftermarket control arms and bushings allowed as long as they bolt in stock locations.
3. Rack and Pinion steering allowed.
4. Aftermarket strut is allowed but must follow the following guidelines:
Full on race strut prohibited (ie. Lamb or equivalent type)
Bolt in stock location with the exception of aftermarket K-Member
Strut must be comparable to QA1 or Strange style (adjustable)
Struts that changes caster and camber are prohibited
5. Aftermarket Coil shocks allowed
6. ALL replacement parts must be in stock location
7. K-Members allowed (late model Mustangs, Camaros and Firebirds)
8. K-Members must feature stock attachment locations
9. No part of the K-Member may be permanently attached to the chassis
10. Rear Frame rails must be in original stock location (minor notching allowed for tire clearance)
11. Mini Tubs allowed
12. Any rear suspension allowed, 4-links, ladder bars, etc.
13. Motor Plate and Mid Plate allowed
14. Motor must be in stock location
15. No traction compound spraying devices allowed.
16. Wheelie bars will be allowed for the 2011 season only
*Body*
1. Firewall must be in stock location, minor modifications for trans, etc is OK.
2. Unaltered floor pan. May be altered for thru the floor sub-frame connectors, etc. Must have stock floor pans from tubs forward. No back half chassis cars allowed.
3. No body alterations (must have front and rear bumpers)
4. Headlights and taillights must be in working condition
5. Fiberglass limited to Hood, Bumpers, Deck Lid, front fenders or doors, limited to doors or fenders, not both. No one piece fiberglass front ends.
6. Forward facing hood scoops not allowed.
7. Drilling/cutting holes in hood for air inlet prohibited
8. No Pro Mod style wings
9. Max Wing 15" from leading edge
10. Lexan allowed 

*Interior*
1. Two Front seats, turbo/supercharger cars may remove passenger seat for plumbing.
2. Driver Seat must be mounted in front of Door Jamb
3. Carpeted interior
4. Door panels (aluminum door panels allowed)
5. Stock Dash (aftermarket gauges allowed)


*Tires*
1. Any 275/60 designated drag radial is allowed.
2. No slicks of any type allowed.
*Power Adders*
1. Only ONE type power adder allowed
2. Timers and controllers are allowed.
3. Progressive nitrous controllers and data recorders allowed.
4. Dual entry and single entry plates are allowed 1 nitrous solenoid and 1 fuel solenoid in a single stage configuration.
5. Only one fogger or single plate allowed. If a second nitrous system is on car it must be capped off at the solenoids. Dual stage, single nozzle foggers are not allowed.
Only ONE nitrous bottle allowed in car. 15 lb. maximum size. (Push systems prohibited.)
6. Maximum nitrous supply line is a single #6 line.
7. Max 88 MM turbo inlet. Air to liquid intercooler allowed. Measurement will be a 1/16th of an inch away from the compressor wheel. If it measures more that 88 MM or if the leading edge is more than a 1/16th away from the compressor wheel then the turbo is illegal. NOTE: All turbo cars will be checked.
8. Big Blocks and Small Blocks will be limited to a .036 jet maximum on each cylinder on a fogger. Dual entry plates are limited to 2 .075 nitrous jets along with a single nitrous solenoid. Single entry plates limited to a .112 nitrous jet and a single nitrous solenoid.
9. Maximum supercharger F1 air to water.
10. No big blocks allowed with a turbo or procharger/blower.

*Transmission*
1. Automatic or factory equipped manual.
2. NO Brunos, Lencos etc.
*Engines*
1. NO Sheet metal Intakes
2. Must use mass produced cast aluminum intakes (no tunnel rams)
3. Single Carburetors only
4. EFI max 90 MM throttle body. 1250 CFM max
5. V6 Turbo may use air to liquid intercooler
6. F1s or smaller can have liquid intercoolers
7. Max 6-71 Blower allowed
8. All cars must run gasoline (no alcohol or methanol)
9. Dry Sumps Not allowed
10. All big block engines limited to 10.2" deck height. BBC 427 tall deck "truck" block allowed.
*Heads*
1. Billet or custom fabricated heads prohibited.
2. Internal port areas of cylinder heads may be welded or epoxied for repairing, but heads must maintain standard "as produced" valve/port layout design, valve cant, and valve spacing.(no substituting canted valve for inline head, etc.)
3. Big Block cylinder heads must retain 24* style port/valve configurations. No BBC 18* or BBF C heads allowed.
4. Minimum non-stock valve angle for small blocks is 15 degrees.
5. No Big Chief, Big chief style or Little chief heads.
6. Porting allowed.
7. Yates or Yates style heads are allowed C Series or equivalent, must add 100 pounds and no forced induction
8. Yates SC-1s and Chevy SB2 are allowed, but will carry 150 pounds. **No Yates or SB2 heads will be allowed with forced induction applications.**
9. Valve angle will be plus or minus 1 to 1 1/4 degrees max.
10. Heads must have manufacturers markings visible.
11. If you are not sure if a particular head is allowed, contact TTT5/Tex275 for clarification.
*Exhaust*
1. Mufflers Required.
2. No Insert or Collector mufflers.
*Weight Breaks*
**Small block**
1. up to 440" - 3000#
2. 441-499" - 3100#
3. 500+" 3150#
4. *LSX powered cars 3200#
5. *Turbocharged / Procharged Small Blocks 3300# (88mm) example- reduced 88/98s and 91s
6. *True 88mm, non reduced in a true 88mm housing 3200# GT47 or equivalent
7. *Any billet wheel turbo 3350.
8. *Any TRUE nitrous 23* headed SBC or 20* SBF subtract 200#
9. *Any 15* Chevy head add 50#.
10. *Yates C heads or equivalent Add 100#.
11. *Yates SC1 or Chevy SB2 add 150#.
**Big Block**
1. Up to 530" - 3200#
2. 531-570"- 3250#
3. 10 head bolt Ford blocks 571 - 600" 3300#
4. 571-600" - 3350# Applies to aftermarket chevy blocks and 18 head bolt Ford blocks
5. 605" + 3450#
6. 632" Cubic Inch MAXIMUM
7. 10.2" Deck height MAXIMUM
**TECH**
1. All engines are subject to valve angle, port location, and displacement verification at any time.
2. Nitrous limits and turbo size will be verified before each event and at random during the event as deemed necessary by tech officials.
These rules will be adjusted as necessary after two races!
Texas 275 rules
TeX275.com
2011 season
*Chassis*
1. Stock Front frame rails (must be in stock location).
2. Aftermarket control arms and bushings allowed as long as they bolt in stock locations.
3. Rack and Pinion steering allowed.
4. Aftermarket strut is allowed but must follow the following guidelines:
Full on race strut prohibited (ie. Lamb or equivalent type)
Bolt in stock location with the exception of aftermarket K-Member
Strut must be comparable to QA1 or Strange style (adjustable)
Struts that changes caster and camber are prohibited
5. Aftermarket Coil shocks allowed
6. ALL replacement parts must be in stock location
7. K-Members allowed (late model Mustangs, Camaros and Firebirds)
8. K-Members must feature stock attachment locations
9. No part of the K-Member may be permanently attached to the chassis
10. Rear Frame rails must be in original stock location (minor notching allowed for tire clearance)
11. Mini Tubs allowed
12. Any rear suspension allowed, 4-links, ladder bars, etc.
13. Motor Plate and Mid Plate allowed
14. Motor must be in stock location
15. No traction compound spraying devices allowed.
16. Wheelie bars will be allowed for the 2011 season only
*Body*
1. Firewall must be in stock location, minor modifications for trans, etc is OK.
2. Unaltered floor pan. May be altered for thru the floor sub-frame connectors, etc. Must have stock floor pans from tubs forward. No back half chassis cars allowed.
3. No body alterations (must have front and rear bumpers)
4. Headlights and taillights must be in working condition
5. Fiberglass limited to Hood, Bumpers, Deck Lid, front fenders or doors, limited to doors or fenders, not both. No one piece fiberglass front ends.
6. Forward facing hood scoops not allowed.
7. Drilling/cutting holes in hood for air inlet prohibited
8. No Pro Mod style wings
9. Max Wing 15" from leading edge
10. Lexan allowed 

*Interior*
1. Two Front seats, turbo/supercharger cars may remove passenger seat for plumbing.
2. Driver Seat must be mounted in front of Door Jamb
3. Carpeted interior
4. Door panels (aluminum door panels allowed)
5. Stock Dash (aftermarket gauges allowed)


*Tires*
1. Any 275/60 designated drag radial is allowed.
2. No slicks of any type allowed.
*Power Adders*
1. Only ONE type power adder allowed
2. Timers and controllers are allowed.
3. Progressive nitrous controllers and data recorders allowed.
4. Dual entry and single entry plates are allowed 1 nitrous solenoid and 1 fuel solenoid in a single stage configuration.
5. Only one fogger or single plate allowed. If a second nitrous system is on car it must be capped off at the solenoids. Dual stage, single nozzle foggers are not allowed.
Only ONE nitrous bottle allowed in car. 15 lb. maximum size. (Push systems prohibited.)
6. Maximum nitrous supply line is a single #6 line.
7. Max 88 MM turbo inlet. Air to liquid intercooler allowed. Measurement will be a 1/16th of an inch away from the compressor wheel. If it measures more that 88 MM or if the leading edge is more than a 1/16th away from the compressor wheel then the turbo is illegal. NOTE: All turbo cars will be checked.
8. Big Blocks and Small Blocks will be limited to a .036 jet maximum on each cylinder on a fogger. Dual entry plates are limited to 2 .075 nitrous jets along with a single nitrous solenoid. Single entry plates limited to a .112 nitrous jet and a single nitrous solenoid.
9. Maximum supercharger F1 air to water.
10. No big blocks allowed with a turbo or procharger/blower.

*Transmission*
1. Automatic or factory equipped manual.
2. NO Brunos, Lencos etc.
*Engines*
1. NO Sheet metal Intakes
2. Must use mass produced cast aluminum intakes (no tunnel rams)
3. Single Carburetors only
4. EFI max 90 MM throttle body. 1250 CFM max
5. V6 Turbo may use air to liquid intercooler
6. F1s or smaller can have liquid intercoolers
7. Max 6-71 Blower allowed
8. All cars must run gasoline (no alcohol or methanol)
9. Dry Sumps Not allowed
10. All big block engines limited to 10.2" deck height. BBC 427 tall deck "truck" block allowed.
*Heads*
1. Billet or custom fabricated heads prohibited.
2. Internal port areas of cylinder heads may be welded or epoxied for repairing, but heads must maintain standard "as produced" valve/port layout design, valve cant, and valve spacing.(no substituting canted valve for inline head, etc.)
3. Big Block cylinder heads must retain 24* style port/valve configurations. No BBC 18* or BBF C heads allowed.
4. Minimum non-stock valve angle for small blocks is 15 degrees.
5. No Big Chief, Big chief style or Little chief heads.
6. Porting allowed.
7. Yates or Yates style heads are allowed C Series or equivalent, must add 100 pounds and no forced induction
8. Yates SC-1s and Chevy SB2 are allowed, but will carry 150 pounds. **No Yates or SB2 heads will be allowed with forced induction applications.**
9. Valve angle will be plus or minus 1 to 1 1/4 degrees max.
10. Heads must have manufacturers markings visible.
11. If you are not sure if a particular head is allowed, contact TTT5/Tex275 for clarification.
*Exhaust*
1. Mufflers Required.
2. No Insert or Collector mufflers.
*Weight Breaks*
**Small block**
1. up to 440" - 3000#
2. 441-499" - 3100#
3. 500+" 3150#
4. *LSX powered cars 3200#
5. *Turbocharged / Procharged Small Blocks 3300# (88mm) example- reduced 88/98s and 91s
6. *True 88mm, non reduced in a true 88mm housing 3200# GT47 or equivalent
7. *Any billet wheel turbo 3350.
8. *Any TRUE nitrous 23* headed SBC or 20* SBF subtract 200#
9. *Any 15* Chevy head add 50#.
10. *Yates C heads or equivalent Add 100#.
11. *Yates SC1 or Chevy SB2 add 150#.
**Big Block**
1. Up to 530" - 3200#
2. 531-570"- 3250#
3. 10 head bolt Ford blocks 571 - 600" 3300#
4. 571-600" - 3350# Applies to aftermarket chevy blocks and 18 head bolt Ford blocks
5. 605" + 3450#
6. 632" Cubic Inch MAXIMUM
7. 10.2" Deck height MAXIMUM
**TECH**
1. All engines are subject to valve angle, port location, and displacement verification at any time.
2. Nitrous limits and turbo size will be verified before each event and at random during the event as deemed necessary by tech officials.
These rules will be adjusted as necessary after two races!
Posted By: sdaurity
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 07:26 PM
I personally think those rules are terrible. SB with an 88mm is at a huge advantage over everything else by those rules. What is the record? ET & MPH?
Posted By: cold85
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 08:09 PM
My opinon which is crap anyway.
a w8-w9 motor could be a front runner no problem.
a nitrous motor will run good
so would a big inch procharged
and turbo needs to be under 360ci imo
The biggest thing to making it work is trying rather than just wondering if it would work.
a w8-w9 motor could be a front runner no problem.
a nitrous motor will run good
so would a big inch procharged
and turbo needs to be under 360ci imo
The biggest thing to making it work is trying rather than just wondering if it would work.
Posted By: cold85
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/17/11 08:12 PM
I agree those texas rules a messed up
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 01:05 AM
Wouldn't want to try to run a nitrous combo in those texas rules.
Hey cold 85 nice wheelie!! hope she is ok..
Hey cold 85 nice wheelie!! hope she is ok..
Posted By: cold85
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 02:10 AM
Quote:I tried to pm u back but ur in box is full
Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
Posted By: DakFink
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 03:00 AM
Most if not all X275 are 1/8th mile. The nitrous cars can keep up with the turbo cars if not do better.
In fact I get a daily report from the last 2 weeks of X275 racing from my co-worker that keeps up with that class and he's telling me that Nitrous is taking the wins and the Records.
4.7's in the 1/8th best I have heard him mention so far the last 2 weeks.
In fact I get a daily report from the last 2 weeks of X275 racing from my co-worker that keeps up with that class and he's telling me that Nitrous is taking the wins and the Records.
4.7's in the 1/8th best I have heard him mention so far the last 2 weeks.
Posted By: joshking440
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 03:19 AM
x275 record was reset this weekend 4.785 by kevin neal like i mentioned earlier.
i think if anyone wants to even begin to guess what it takes to run this class, they should come to the race in february at sgmp so you can see it for yourself
my car makes a whole bunch of power, and i look at these guys who also make a TON of power and they really have to lean on those bad a$$ rides to run those numbers. its not the same as watching big tire bracket cars run those same numbers!
hey, heads up, congrats on getting that blue camaro figured out. i watched that car make great strides this weekend
i think if anyone wants to even begin to guess what it takes to run this class, they should come to the race in february at sgmp so you can see it for yourself
my car makes a whole bunch of power, and i look at these guys who also make a TON of power and they really have to lean on those bad a$$ rides to run those numbers. its not the same as watching big tire bracket cars run those same numbers!
hey, heads up, congrats on getting that blue camaro figured out. i watched that car make great strides this weekend
Posted By: W8n2DustU
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 04:02 AM
Quote:Fixed it!!!!!!Quote:I tried to pm u back but ur in box is full
Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
Posted By: sdaurity
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 01:37 PM
Quote:
x275 record was reset this weekend 4.785 by kevin neal like i mentioned earlier.
i think if anyone wants to even begin to guess what it takes to run this class, they should come to the race in february at sgmp so you can see it for yourself
my car makes a whole bunch of power, and i look at these guys who also make a TON of power and they really have to lean on those bad a$$ rides to run those numbers. its not the same as watching big tire bracket cars run those same numbers!
hey, heads up, congrats on getting that blue camaro figured out. i watched that car make great strides this weekend
UHHH I'm starting to hate that car as much as mine.
We had a bad miss/popping problem and thought we had it fixed and got there thursday and still had it. So we checked everything and threw a ton of parts on it and one of them fixed it. The biggest thing we are trying to do is get the car to repeat now. We went the 5.00 with a very soft tune-up and got in the top 32 race in the heat sat, and pulled to the starting line twice with the same tune-up on Sat nite just 1 click tighter on front shocks on a track that was leaps and bounds better and smoke the tires in .04. Sunday same tune-up as when we went 5.00, same car set-up, track temp within 5 deg. and air 200 ft difference and smoke the tires. It just makes you wanna pull your hair out. 
But its all good, we will figure it out.
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 03:20 PM
Quote:
Most if not all X275 are 1/8th mile. The nitrous cars can keep up with the turbo cars if not do better.
In fact I get a daily report from the last 2 weeks of X275 racing from my co-worker that keeps up with that class and he's telling me that Nitrous is taking the wins and the Records.
4.7's in the 1/8th best I have heard him mention so far the last 2 weeks.
Yea in X275 the nitrous combo is the one to beat, but as I stated before in the TEXAS RULES 275 I WOULDN'T WANT TO TRY TO RUN NITROUS!
Posted By: cold85
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 03:41 PM
Honestly I do not think the rules are good for a nitrous bb mopar. I may be wrong but a nice conventional chevy compared to b-1's is hard to beat with b1's.
Second a nitrous motor sb will be hard if it is sitting in a mopar body due to weight and how light the car can get. I will wait to see what steven can come up with in his new ride to see what weight he can get it too with the sb.
Blower and turbo seems to be the easier choice for mopars due to how much weight penalty they carry.
I have said it before and will again a blower or turbo motor can make as much as any other brand in the right hands. I would have a mopar motor if I had not already had the ford from the start. I have bought a block that is mopar for next year but not sure if i will have the time to get it done before feb.
Second a nitrous motor sb will be hard if it is sitting in a mopar body due to weight and how light the car can get. I will wait to see what steven can come up with in his new ride to see what weight he can get it too with the sb.
Blower and turbo seems to be the easier choice for mopars due to how much weight penalty they carry.
I have said it before and will again a blower or turbo motor can make as much as any other brand in the right hands. I would have a mopar motor if I had not already had the ford from the start. I have bought a block that is mopar for next year but not sure if i will have the time to get it done before feb.
Posted By: Adrielp
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 03:54 PM
Quote:
Honestly I do not think the rules are good for a nitrous bb mopar. I may be wrong but a nice conventional chevy compared to b-1's is hard to beat with b1's.
Second a nitrous motor sb will be hard if it is sitting in a mopar body due to weight and how light the car can get. I will wait to see what steven can come up with in his new ride to see what weight he can get it too with the sb.
Blower and turbo seems to be the easier choice for mopars due to how much weight penalty they carry.
I have said it before and will again a blower or turbo motor can make as much as any other brand in the right hands. I would have a mopar motor if I had not already had the ford from the start. I have bought a block that is mopar for next year but not sure if i will have the time to get it done before feb.
Which heads are you thinking about putting on Mopar block thats sitting. Your right, putting together a new combo before next feb is running a tight schedule then also getting it done so you can test. Thats a tough decision to make right there due to the tight schedule. Good luck with it!
Posted By: sdaurity
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 04:00 PM
Quote:
Honestly I do not think the rules are good for a nitrous bb mopar. I may be wrong but a nice conventional chevy compared to b-1's is hard to beat with b1's.
Second a nitrous motor sb will be hard if it is sitting in a mopar body due to weight and how light the car can get. I will wait to see what steven can come up with in his new ride to see what weight he can get it too with the sb.
Blower and turbo seems to be the easier choice for mopars due to how much weight penalty they carry.
I have said it before and will again a blower or turbo motor can make as much as any other brand in the right hands. I would have a mopar motor if I had not already had the ford from the start. I have bought a block that is mopar for next year but not sure if i will have the time to get it done before feb.
I agree on the BB chrysler not having a chance against a new set of headhunters. I think I can get my new car light enough with the nitrous small block, unless it goes down to something crazy like 2800 lbs which I dont see happening. It can be done with the turbo/supercharger just would be a ton of money to do. I actually was comparing numbers and Bills w-9 motor only back halfed 5 numbers slower than tommys 15 deg (big) small chevy with the same jets but bills dart is 300 more lbs and doesn't have anything fancy and on 28's.(it still has a 7al-3 and 2nd kit on a button)lol. Long as I can get the car right the engine is making enough power to be competitive, it won't be a class killer but will run good.
Posted By: cold85
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 04:05 PM
I think they may give the sb nitrous a 50-100lb break and take off 50 for ladder bars. IMO I have not heard anything this is just my opinion. And if they do that how much weight do you think you could have to play with steven?
Posted By: sdaurity
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 04:21 PM
Quote:
I think they may give the sb nitrous a 50-100lb break and take off 50 for ladder bars. IMO I have not heard anything this is just my opinion. And if they do that how much weight do you think you could have to play with steven?
I'm really not 100%. The only thing I really have to go by is my old nitrous set-up, and I asked the guy with the blue duster running 5.70 this past weekend was 2850 with driver but he was 10 point cage, w-9 engine, 904, glass hood and doors, tubular front end, nice wheels brakes etc. My old car with homemade front steer set-up, all steel exept hood, bumpers factory glass. BB lowdeck, 727, 9" iron center, 12 point mild cage, 1 10 lb bottle, 3 gallon cell, all the weight out with me in it (im 240) was 3090lbs. Like my car is currently with turbo,intercooler,ice tank, water tank and all is 3275. My new car is going to have glass hood, bumpers, doors, decklid, lexan winsheild, alum center section, a ton more bars but will be moly. I think I can do it, and I do agree the only weight that will be ajusted will be nitrous sb with the turbo,blower,n2oBB being so close and a few numbers faster.
Posted By: Get-X
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 06:19 PM
Chad, what does your Dart weigh? I think with a maximum lightening effort a 67-69 Dart can get pretty light with a all aluminum nitrous engine. I still would like to attempt a GenIII Hemi with a turbo in a new Challenger. The Hemi is light, can make good power I just worry about 4 heads bolts. I may just say f'it and screw one together.
Posted By: cold85
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 10:45 PM
Quote:
Chad, what does your Dart weigh? I think with a maximum lightening effort a 67-69 Dart can get pretty light with a all aluminum nitrous engine. I still would like to attempt a GenIII Hemi with a turbo in a new Challenger. The Hemi is light, can make good power I just worry about 4 heads bolts. I may just say f'it and screw one together.
well the biggest thing is sealing up the heads so it may be taking a chance but only one way to know. I do not know how much my car would weigh without any lead in it. I have always had to add so much I have never even counted all the lead bricks and some of them are different. I just scale it and move the 10 bricks of the same weight around to get what I want.
Posted By: Plumb Wired
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/18/11 11:21 PM
I will admit I don't know the 275 & X275 rules but if they allow a round tube backhalf car that's the only way I see getting even an A-Body light enough. The Dart Donald & I run has stock frame rails front to rear, basic 6 points of cage are mild steel balance is moly, ladder bars, Bob's Pro Fab front end, 5 gal fuel cell, one 16V battery, 1 10# n2o bottle, 2 Kirkey sets, Spaghetti Menders wiring, fiberglass hood, bumpers, doors & deck lid, lexan side windows, quarter glass & rear window, R3/W8 w/ Liberty 5 speed. It weighed right at 3000# with Donald race ready.
We may go to fiberglass front fenders and a lexan windshield while rebuilding from the fire but I don't where can find anymore weight to remove.
Not saying it couldn't be done but someone would have to spend a major amount of money for very little return. In my younger days If I would have had the resources I do now I probably would try to built a competitive car but the older I get I just don't see spending the $.
Mike Gray
We may go to fiberglass front fenders and a lexan windshield while rebuilding from the fire but I don't where can find anymore weight to remove.
Not saying it couldn't be done but someone would have to spend a major amount of money for very little return. In my younger days If I would have had the resources I do now I probably would try to built a competitive car but the older I get I just don't see spending the $.
Mike Gray
Posted By: Get-X
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 12:22 AM
Quote:Quote:
Chad, what does your Dart weigh? I think with a maximum lightening effort a 67-69 Dart can get pretty light with a all aluminum nitrous engine. I still would like to attempt a GenIII Hemi with a turbo in a new Challenger. The Hemi is light, can make good power I just worry about 4 heads bolts. I may just say f'it and screw one together.
well the biggest thing is sealing up the heads so it may be taking a chance but only one way to know. I do not know how much my car would weigh without any lead in it. I have always had to add so much I have never even counted all the lead bricks and some of them are different. I just scale it and move the 10 bricks of the same weight around to get what I want.
Hehe, yeah I guess with the turbo you'd have to add a boatload unless you were a fata$$ like me
Posted By: Get-X
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 12:30 AM
Quote:
I will admit I don't know the 275 & X275 rules but if they allow a round tube backhalf car that's the only way I see getting even an A-Body light enough. The Dart Donald & I run has stock frame rails front to rear, basic 6 points of cage are mild steel balance is moly, ladder bars, Bob's Pro Fab front end, 5 gal fuel cell, one 16V battery, 1 10# n2o bottle, 2 Kirkey sets, Spaghetti Menders wiring, fiberglass hood, bumpers, doors & deck lid, lexan side windows, quarter glass & rear window, R3/W8 w/ Liberty 5 speed. It weighed right at 3000# with Donald race ready.
We may go to fiberglass front fenders and a lexan windshield while rebuilding from the fire but I don't where can find anymore weight to remove.
Not saying it couldn't be done but someone would have to spend a major amount of money for very little return. In my younger days If I would have had the resources I do now I probably would try to built a competitive car but the older I get I just don't see spending the $.
Mike Gray
Heya Mike, Donalds car would fit right in. I think SB nos without canted valve heads needs to be 2950#.
I hear ya on blowing the money as you get older. This is why I've been tap dancing around actually putting something together the last couple of years. It's easy to just fart around with the GTX and not have to bust a$$ on a heads-up car.
Posted By: W8n2DustU
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 01:17 AM
From what i can tell from studying this for the last few weeks is it would be beneficial to do the allaluminum W8 package. I have a brand new block and access to some good heads. I already have all the other things from BS3 to the turbo. I will go ahead and purchase a new SE Challenger. Anyone need a new V6? Lol. Anyone know the best places to get the Dragpak specific glass and other light weight components? Anyone making carbon parts? Also which front suspension is better?
Posted By: Get-X
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 01:55 AM
Quote:
From what i can tell from studying this for the last few weeks is it would be beneficial to do the allaluminum W8 package. I have a brand new block and access to some good heads. I already have all the other things from BS3 to the turbo. I will go ahead and purchase a new SE Challenger. Anyone need a new V6? Lol. Anyone know the best places to get the Dragpak specific glass and other light weight components? Anyone making carbon parts? Also which front suspension is better?
I know Afco makes upgraded struts for the front, not sure if Santuff does or not.
Posted By: Gary Robbins
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 03:01 AM
Quote:Quote:
Honestly I do not think the rules are good for a nitrous bb mopar.
I agree on the BB chrysler not having a chance against a new set of headhunters.
I say "BS" on the not having a chance...We ran 5.20's with a junk 540 with 440-1 heads @ 3200# on a 28X10.5...Going to be putting this bullet in the Fish(588 indy max block with B1 heads and all the good stuff).Motor makes 1100ish n/a and i expect to loose around 50-75 hp when we change the sheet metal tunnel ram over to a cast single...Will we set any records,NO, but i think we can be very competitive on 275'S if we throw enough money at it
Posted By: joshking440
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 03:07 AM
Gary.....hows the silver fish coming buddy!
i look forward to seeing that thing in action at Monster Mopar next year!!!!!! Not just the check that says you should have been here!!!
i look forward to seeing that thing in action at Monster Mopar next year!!!!!! Not just the check that says you should have been here!!!
Posted By: Gary Robbins
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 03:19 AM
Quote:Going good Josh...About got it ready for paint and then its assemble,wire and plumb on our end
Gary.....hows the silver fish coming buddy!
i look forward to seeing that thing in action at Monster Mopar next year!!!!!! Not just the check that says you should have been here!!!
WE want miss the next one for sure...
Posted By: moparniac
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 07:46 AM
why only 10.2 deck height... there goes the classic HEMI head option...
Posted By: DakFink
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 08:16 AM
Arrington used to carry Carbon Deck Lids and Hoods.
Only place I know to get the DragPac suspension pieces is through Mopar Dealers?????
Only place I know to get the DragPac suspension pieces is through Mopar Dealers?????
Posted By: sdaurity
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 01:27 PM
Quote:Quote:Quote:
Honestly I do not think the rules are good for a nitrous bb mopar.
I agree on the BB chrysler not having a chance against a new set of headhunters.
I say "BS" on the not having a chance...We ran 5.20's with a junk 540 with 440-1 heads @ 3200# on a 28X10.5...Going to be putting this bullet in the Fish(588 indy max block with B1 heads and all the good stuff).Motor makes 1100ish n/a and i expect to loose around 50-75 hp when we change the sheet metal tunnel ram over to a cast single...Will we set any records,NO, but i think we can be very competitive on 275'S if we throw enough money at it
So what do you think you can run with that engine (one carb cast intake),one gun, 275's, and 3400 lbs? Thats what you would have to be by x275 rules. Oh and dont forget the 50lbs for ladder bars so how fast @3450 lbs ?
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 03:34 PM
3450 would be tall deck and ladder bar. How much hp do you think you can get on one kit on that b-1 is the question? And still get down the track on a 275.
Posted By: wldtm
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 04:13 PM
Quote:
From what i can tell from studying this for the last few weeks is it would be beneficial to do the allaluminum W8 package. I have a brand new block and access to some good heads. I already have all the other things from BS3 to the turbo. I will go ahead and purchase a new SE Challenger. Anyone need a new V6? Lol. Anyone know the best places to get the Dragpak specific glass and other light weight components? Anyone making carbon parts? Also which front suspension is better?
there is a build book availble through mopar that has alot of part numbers for this. you may want to look into it. i think its 13-15$
Posted By: sdaurity
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 04:24 PM
Quote:
3450 would be tall deck and ladder bar. How much hp do you think you can get on one kit on that b-1 is the question? And still get down the track on a 275.
His 588 aint a low deck.LOL
One of my buddys this past weekend in georgia went 4.94 in a 02 camaro 565bbc dart pro 1 345cc heads nothing special. On a 44 jet with the foggers split and a ton of launch retard and gear retard. Anymore nitrous and will have to go back to a progressive but I think a BB has to have at least a 44-48 jet to run good.
Posted By: Whompin_Wedge
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 06:17 PM
Quote:
Arrington used to carry Carbon Deck Lids and Hoods.
Only place I know to get the DragPac suspension pieces is through Mopar Dealers?????
John Holt race cars. They have what you need as far as suspension goes for those cars. Call them and ask for Ben he will hook you up.
Casey
Posted By: Gary Robbins
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 06:50 PM
Will we set any records,NO, but i think we can be very competitive on 275'S if we throw enough money at it ...BTW i'll be keeping my 28X10.5 tires and wheels close by just in case...
So what do you think you can run with that engine (one carb cast intake),one gun, 275's, and 3400 lbs? Thats what you would have to be by x275 rules. Oh and dont forget the 50lbs for ladder bars so how fast @3450 lbs ?
Re-read my post,no where did i say we would rule the roost...Not in anyway trying to start a pissin match,just saying i think we could be competitive with a BBM...Besides i'm building my car to run my area not back east or southeast,way to much racing going on around here to worry about everyone else...
...BTW i'll be keeping my 28X10.5 tires and wheels close by just in case... So what do you think you can run with that engine (one carb cast intake),one gun, 275's, and 3400 lbs? Thats what you would have to be by x275 rules. Oh and dont forget the 50lbs for ladder bars so how fast @3450 lbs ?
Re-read my post,no where did i say we would rule the roost...Not in anyway trying to start a pissin match,just saying i think we could be competitive with a BBM...Besides i'm building my car to run my area not back east or southeast,way to much racing going on around here to worry about everyone else...
Posted By: sdaurity
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 07:03 PM
Quote:
Will we set any records,NO, but i think we can be very competitive on 275'S if we throw enough money at it
So what do you think you can run with that engine (one carb cast intake),one gun, 275's, and 3400 lbs? Thats what you would have to be by x275 rules. Oh and dont forget the 50lbs for ladder bars so how fast @3450 lbs ?
Re-read my post,no where did i say we would rule the roost...Not in anyway trying to start a pissin match,just saying i think we could be competitive with a BBM...Besides i'm building my car to run my area not back east or southeast,way to much racing going on around here to worry about everyone else...
Gettin touchy there old man.
I just asked how fast do you think you can go? Where in any of that am I trying to start an argument. Did you notice the question mark at the end? 
Posted By: DusterMel
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 08:29 PM
Quote:Quote:
I think they may give the sb nitrous a 50-100lb break and take off 50 for ladder bars. IMO I have not heard anything this is just my opinion. And if they do that how much weight do you think you could have to play with steven?
I'm really not 100%. The only thing I really have to go by is my old nitrous set-up, and I asked the guy with the blue duster running 5.70 this past weekend was 2850 with driver but he was 10 point cage, w-9 engine, 904, glass hood and doors, tubular front end, nice wheels brakes etc. My old car with homemade front steer set-up, all steel exept hood, bumpers factory glass. BB lowdeck, 727, 9" iron center, 12 point mild cage, 1 10 lb bottle, 3 gallon cell, all the weight out with me in it (im 240) was 3090lbs. Like my car is currently with turbo,intercooler,ice tank, water tank and all is 3275. My new car is going to have glass hood, bumpers, doors, decklid, lexan winsheild, alum center section, a ton more bars but will be moly. I think I can do it, and I do agree the only weight that will be ajusted will be nitrous sb with the turbo,blower,n2oBB being so close and a few numbers faster.
I have the Blue Duster it's all Steel with a glass hood, glass bolt on deck lid with the factory torsion rods in the trunk, and glass bumpers. All factory glass, steel doors, with all window regulators everything works. Two seats, carpet, factory dash, headliner, basically full interior minus the back seat. 12 point chrome molly cage, power glide, Dana 60, it has a huge radiator two 12" electric fans, an aluminum 12 gallon fuel cell. Hoosier 315 Drag Radials, ladder bars. I did not want a hulled out shell of what used to be a Duster. The only thing it doesn't have to be street legal is wipers and a horn. It's 2845 with Me in the car and I weight 225 lbs. I defiantly think you can be light if you put your mind to it...
I would Love to put a single Pro Charger or a Turbo but this is my first full season running it and Im having a Blast in my local Real Street 5.70 class.... It's was An Awesome weekend I Won Saturday and was Runner up on Sunday!!! I Won the first 5.70 they had in February. Not bragging just having a Great Season!!! Mopars To The Front MF'ers.....
Posted By: fishy340
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 11:06 PM
anyway you look at this class,its super tuff and really comes down to the TUNE,not who has the most power...TUNE TUNE TUNE thats what wins this class
Posted By: Gary Robbins
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 11:15 PM
Gettin touchy there old man.
I just asked how fast do you think you can go? Where in any of that am I trying to start an argument. Did you notice the question mark at the end? No worries here
...It takes a lot more than a young pup on the net to rile me up To answer your question:Grudge racing,weighing as lite as we can, we hope 4.80'S...28X10.5 we have to weigh from 3000# to 3200# around here and shooting for 4.90'S to 5.00'S...275 radial we'll just have to see as we've never been on radials but we do like to test.Looking at the tire it looks the same size as the 28X10.5 we run,but i understand it will be a hole new world..........
Posted By: W8n2DustU
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/19/11 11:21 PM
Tuning and power management are the keys. But first you have to have the ability to make as much power as the front runners. Also having a solid chassis that's not ill handling on such a small tire. Every part of the combo will have to be tweaked to perfection to have a front running combo. Its like the ADRLs 10.5 class. They all make enough power to win. It comes down to who has their act together on a given weekend.
Posted By: 6PAK70CUDA
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/20/11 12:10 AM
His 588 aint a low deck.LOL
One of my buddys this past weekend in georgia went 4.94 in a 02 camaro 565bbc dart pro 1 345cc heads nothing special. On a 44 jet with the foggers split and a ton of launch retard and gear retard. Anymore nitrous and will have to go back to a progressive but I think a BB has to have at least a 44-48 jet to run good.
I'm a little out of date on the nitrous setups: what is a split fogger? Does it still count as one system then? I get the launch retard and gear retard, pretty self-explanatory.
Posted By: fishy340
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/20/11 12:38 AM
hey Mel have u ever tried a 1/4 pass in that badboy? just curiouse
Posted By: DusterMel
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/20/11 01:26 AM
Quote:
hey Mel have u ever tried a 1/4 pass in that badboy? just curiouse
I tried to once but it blew the tires off!!! I was on the show Pass Time. It went a full second slower than normal in the 1/8 6.68 1/8 and 10.00 @146 1/4 I know it had to have killed some MPH as well. I have been 5.66 in August in FL hot as hell and crapy air...
Posted By: sdaurity
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/20/11 01:38 AM
Quote:
His 588 aint a low deck.LOL
One of my buddys this past weekend in georgia went 4.94 in a 02 camaro 565bbc dart pro 1 345cc heads nothing special. On a 44 jet with the foggers split and a ton of launch retard and gear retard. Anymore nitrous and will have to go back to a progressive but I think a BB has to have at least a 44-48 jet to run good.
I'm a little out of date on the nitrous setups: what is a split fogger? Does it still count as one system then? I get the launch retard and gear retard, pretty self-explanatory.
When you split systems you. Will leave on the driver side 4 nozzles and turn on the passenger side nozzles with a timer. A ton easier to manage power than everything turning on at once.
Posted By: fishy340
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/20/11 01:50 AM
I of course saw that episode,car looks killa..sounds just like mine,when it spun i was like damn,i wanted to see it hook. best of luck w what u do AndyB
AndyB
Posted By: DusterMel
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/20/11 02:36 AM
Quote:
I of course saw that episode,car looks killa..sounds just like mine,when it spun i was like damn,i wanted to see it hook. best of luck w what u do
Thanks!! Cool video of your car!
Posted By: n20mstr
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/20/11 04:10 AM
Quote:
Gettin touchy there old man.
No worries here
...It takes a lot more than a young pup on the net to rile me up To answer your question:Grudge racing,weighing as lite as we can, we hope 4.80'S...28X10.5 we have to weigh from 3000# to 3200# around here and shooting for 4.90'S to 5.00'S...275 radial we'll just have to see as we've never been on radials but we do like to test.Looking at the tire it looks the same size as the 28X10.5 we run,but i understand it will be a hole new world.......... Radials are faster than slicks...its proven...
They may be a lil hard to get down bad tracks, but trust me, IF you try them and have sucess....you aint going back to a slick..
You have plenty of "tools" to get your car down a track with radials...AND be faster than a slick.
\
Posted By: Gary Robbins
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/20/11 09:46 PM
Radials are faster than slicks...its proven...
They may be a lil hard to get down bad tracks, but trust me, IF you try them and have sucess....you aint going back to a slick..
You have plenty of "tools" to get your car down a track with radials...AND be faster than a slick.
\
You may be right, We're sure going to give it a try...BTW which radial do you run.Already have some m/t's,but the top runners seem to prefer hoosiers.........
Posted By: DusterMel
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/20/11 10:36 PM
Quote:
Radials are faster than slicks...its proven...
They may be a lil hard to get down bad tracks, but trust me, IF you try them and have sucess....you aint going back to a slick..
You have plenty of "tools" to get your car down a track with radials...AND be faster than a slick.
\
You may be right, We're sure going to give it a try...BTW which radial do you run.Already have some m/t's,but the top runners seem to prefer hoosiers.........
I definitely agree Radials are faster! I run 315 Hoosiers on mine. I'm just an all motor small block and I've been 1.22 60
Posted By: n20mstr
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/20/11 11:08 PM
i run Hoosier 295's
they are a lot easier to get down a crappy track than the MT's
they are lighter than the MT too.
I have been almost identical times on both tires so in good conditions there really is no difference....
Whatever tire you use, they dont like wheelie bars...LOL
Hit the bars too hard and you going to get some crazy tire shake,
You will be fine, i bet you running well on them in no time
they are a lot easier to get down a crappy track than the MT's
they are lighter than the MT too.
I have been almost identical times on both tires so in good conditions there really is no difference....
Whatever tire you use, they dont like wheelie bars...LOL
Hit the bars too hard and you going to get some crazy tire shake,
You will be fine, i bet you running well on them in no time
Posted By: j.mcconnell
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/22/11 01:35 AM
Posted By: Runnoft
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/22/11 06:37 PM
Quote:
Well, to run out front nationally you have to run 4.80 1/8 miles and to do that you need to make 1500+ hp at x275 weight. BES built chevy BB's with big chief heads are getting it done, but Mopars can't run Predators or PS Hemi heads. Max effort BES 11* big chiefs flow 556 cfm @1". That is as much as my Hemi99 flows, yet the Hemi head is outlawed. Predators flow less and aren't legal either. So you're faced with trying to use a B1-MC or PSO, which is like 470 cfm.
I personally believe the smallblock n2o combo would be a better package. A good w8/9 purpose built, max effort nitrous engine could compete with SBF SBC engines. The smallblock isn't that far behind the BB in hp and gets to weigh a lot less. The sb runs @2950, can use any induction and multiple carbs and as many kits as you want. The bb runs @3250 lbs, can only run a cast manifold with a single carb and one kit only.
No Big Chief heads allowed. That was a "conventional" BBC head engine.
I was talking to the guy that built Shelly Smiths X275 SBC thats been low 4.90's - he seems to think a small block mopar with forced induction could be very competitive. The problem is there's only one or two people in the country willing to spend the $$ it takes. The mopar crowd is notoriously cheap when it comes to top shelf builds...
Posted By: WO23Coronet
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/22/11 10:03 PM
Quote:
Hey cold85, whats going on with your front fender there in the pic
? Is it pulling away from the body because of body twist? Fiberglass front end I'm guessing?
Posted By: cold85
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/27/11 02:31 PM
Quote:Quote:
Hey cold85, whats going on with your front fender there in the pic
Has a fastener underneath that i think came loose on the bottom
Posted By: W8n2DustU
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/28/11 11:13 PM
So would a turbo R4/P5 motor in a Dragpak be legal anywhere but Georgia? What rear suspension comes in a 2011 Dragpak? Sears rules say no 4 links period! Atleast I thought that's how it read!
Posted By: bdaz smblk
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/28/11 11:51 PM
Quote:I don't see how he could say that because the class is almost all mustangs and they are 4 links
So would a turbo R4/P5 motor in a Dragpak be legal anywhere but Georgia? What rear suspension comes in a 2011 Dragpak? Sears rules say no 4 links period! Atleast I thought that's how it read!
Posted By: Get-X
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/29/11 12:16 AM
Quote:
So would a turbo R4/P5 motor in a Dragpak be legal anywhere but Georgia? What rear suspension comes in a 2011 Dragpak? Sears rules say no 4 links period! Atleast I thought that's how it read!
Here is John's answer about the Drag Pac suspension when I pm'ed him on YB a while back. Not sure, but I believe they allow canted valve smallblock heads with a weight penalty:
Hey Marc,
Thanks for the interest in X275. The stock type Hemi in the late model Challenger is legal, the Old Style Hemi however is not legal on the BB combos. I'm pretty sure Dodge has come out with the Drag Pac rear suspension kit for the Challenger to replace the IRS and that would be legal since it's available from the manufacture on a car sold to the public. You would retain the stock suspension weight with that configuration.
John
__________________
4 sec club by power adder up to date top 8 average.
Blower - 4.89
Turbo- 4.90
SB NOS- 4.89
BB NOS- 4.88
I would say the rules are pretty close.
KEEP X275 ALIVE!! SAY NO TO OUTLAW 275JOHN@X275.
Posted By: joshking440
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/29/11 01:59 AM
Thanks for the interest in X275. The stock type Hemi in the late model Challenger is legal, the Old Style Hemi however is not legal on the BB combos. I'm pretty sure Dodge has come out with the Drag Pac rear suspension kit for the Challenger to replace the IRS and that would be legal since it's available from the manufacture on a car sold to the public. You would retain the stock suspension weight with that configuration.
John
__________________
4 sec club by power adder up to date top 8 average.
Blower - 4.89
Turbo- 4.90
SB NOS- 4.89
BB NOS- 4.88
I would say the rules are pretty close.
KEEP X275 ALIVE!! SAY NO TO OUTLAW [Email]275JOHN@X275.[/Email]
that could be HUGE!
did you talk to Mike Marty?
Posted By: W5Dart378
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/29/11 02:19 AM
Quote:Quote:Quote:
Hey cold85, whats going on with your front fender there in the pic
Has a fastener underneath that i think came loose on the bottom
PM me an email and I'll send you my video of that pass from near the finish line,
Posted By: lowbudget
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/29/11 04:59 AM
PM me an email and I'll send you my video of that pass from near the finish line,
Dang! that aint right! I wanna see it too!
Dang! that aint right! I wanna see it too!
Posted By: cold85
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/29/11 12:43 PM
Quote:
So would a turbo R4/P5 motor in a Dragpak be legal anywhere but Georgia? What rear suspension comes in a 2011 Dragpak? Sears rules say no 4 links period! Atleast I thought that's how it read!
As long as. John says it is fine u are okay if he says no just put ladder bars under it.
Posted By: DakFink
Re: mopars and X275 - 10/30/11 07:29 AM
Quote:Quote:I don't see how he could say that because the class is almost all mustangs and they are 4 links
So would a turbo R4/P5 motor in a Dragpak be legal anywhere but Georgia? What rear suspension comes in a 2011 Dragpak? Sears rules say no 4 links period! Atleast I thought that's how it read!
Because they come from the factory that way.
And they are not a 100% true 4-link like you would see installed after -market but they damn sure work like 1 !!!!!
Like I stated above. Some classes / rule makers have started looking the other way when it comes to some things.
If in doubt always helps to ask the Guys that actually make and write the rules.
Posted By: MattW
Re: mopars and X275 - 03/31/19 02:31 PM
Rob Goss
4.237 @ 169.40
Goss' car is carrying a brand-new, 478 c.i. billet-block Gen III Hemi outfitted with a ProCharger blower and 16 individual FuelTech coils connected to two spark plugs per cylinder, as the Drag Pak Challenger Gen III heads come from the factory.
4.237 @ 169.40
Goss' car is carrying a brand-new, 478 c.i. billet-block Gen III Hemi outfitted with a ProCharger blower and 16 individual FuelTech coils connected to two spark plugs per cylinder, as the Drag Pak Challenger Gen III heads come from the factory.