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mopars and X275
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10/15/11 08:59 PM
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W8n2DustU
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Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
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Re: mopars and X275
[Re: W8n2DustU]
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10/16/11 12:08 AM
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DakFink
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Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
Really need to know the Rules and how they are worded, of the Track or series or event you'll be running in. I have had an eye-opener lately at how much the rules actually vary all in the name of the same class. From track to Track and series to series or even event to event.
I have seen stock suspension written as "Bolted to stock location", which means you could use anything that would bolt in. I have also seen it say "Stock Style or Type", if they use that wording you would be stuck with a Torsion Bar front suspension.
That being said:
About your best 2 option for Stock Suspension, (which is the Norm for X275) would be.
1. a-body with cal-tracs and Tubular front suspension and K-frame that bolts into factory locations (If allowed). And Fiberglass everywhere allowed.
2. would be a 1979-1993 Mustang with a Mopar Power plant in it.
One of my co-workers has a 1983 Mustang (Chevy Powered) in this class and he's constantly nagging me to either sell him my motor or scrap my Dakota and get a Mustang to put my motor in.
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Re: mopars and X275
[Re: DakFink]
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10/16/11 12:21 AM
10/16/11 12:21 AM
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Hilltown Pa
1967dartgt
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Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
Really need to know the Rules and how they are worded, of the Track or series or event you'll be running in. I have had an eye-opener lately at how much the rules actually vary all in the name of the same class. From track to Track and series to series or even event to event.
I have seen stock suspension written as "Bolted to stock location", which means you could use anything that would bolt in. I have also seen it say "Stock Style or Type", if they use that wording you would be stuck with a Torsion Bar front suspension.
That being said:
About your best 2 option for Stock Suspension, (which is the Norm for X275) would be.
1. a-body with cal-tracs and Tubular front suspension and K-frame that bolts into factory locations (If allowed). And Fiberglass everywhere allowed.
2. would be a 1979-1993 Mustang with a Mopar Power plant in it.
One of my co-workers has a 1983 Mustang (Chevy Powered) in this class and he's constantly nagging me to either sell him my motor or scrap my Dakota and get a Mustang to put my motor in.
He is saying X275 it is the same rules on the whole east coast and mid west!!!!!! As also stated in the last x275 thread NO TWIN TURBOS IN X275.
Last edited by 1967DartGT; 10/16/11 12:24 AM.
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Re: mopars and X275
[Re: W8n2DustU]
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10/16/11 12:48 AM
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Michigan
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Well, to run out front nationally you have to run 4.80 1/8 miles and to do that you need to make 1500+ hp at x275 weight. BES built chevy BB's with big chief heads are getting it done, but Mopars can't run Predators or PS Hemi heads. Max effort BES 11* big chiefs flow 556 cfm @1". That is as much as my Hemi99 flows, yet the Hemi head is outlawed. Predators flow less and aren't legal either. So you're faced with trying to use a B1-MC or PSO, which is like 470 cfm.
I personally believe the smallblock n2o combo would be a better package. A good w8/9 purpose built, max effort nitrous engine could compete with SBF SBC engines. The smallblock isn't that far behind the BB in hp and gets to weigh a lot less. The sb runs @2950, can use any induction and multiple carbs and as many kits as you want. The bb runs @3250 lbs, can only run a cast manifold with a single carb and one kit only.
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Re: mopars and X275
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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10/16/11 04:29 AM
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DakFink
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Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
Really need to know the Rules and how they are worded, of the Track or series or event you'll be running in. I have had an eye-opener lately at how much the rules actually vary all in the name of the same class. From track to Track and series to series or even event to event.
I have seen stock suspension written as "Bolted to stock location", which means you could use anything that would bolt in. I have also seen it say "Stock Style or Type", if they use that wording you would be stuck with a Torsion Bar front suspension.
That being said:
About your best 2 option for Stock Suspension, (which is the Norm for X275) would be.
1. a-body with cal-tracs and Tubular front suspension and K-frame that bolts into factory locations (If allowed). And Fiberglass everywhere allowed.
2. would be a 1979-1993 Mustang with a Mopar Power plant in it.
One of my co-workers has a 1983 Mustang (Chevy Powered) in this class and he's constantly nagging me to either sell him my motor or scrap my Dakota and get a Mustang to put my motor in.
He is saying X275 it is the same rules on the whole east coast and mid west!!!!!! As also stated in the last x275 thread NO TWIN TURBOS IN X275.
3 different tracks / events 3 different sets of rules all on 275's being the only thing that's the same. Call it 275, 8.5" or X275 fact is not all tracks or events call it the same or run the same rules except that the tire is the same. If you want to stick with the X275 designation then many tracks don't even run that class.
Same goes with Outlaw 10.5 and True 10.5.
http://king-of-the-streets.org/Street%20Race%20Rules%202012.htm
http://www.houstonoutlawracing.com/extreme_street_10.5.aspx
http://www.shakedownatetown.com/class_rules.html
That's just 3 that have been pointed out to me recently when I was looking where to put my Dakota Based on how I want to build it.
At Shakedown I could get in any 10.5 class I want as long as I could qualify. At Houston Outlaws I could only get in their ProMod class, some rule in all other 10.5 classes would put me out.
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Re: mopars and X275
[Re: DakFink]
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10/16/11 10:17 PM
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Can a Mopar be built to run up front? If so, what combo would it take? I know alot of money.
Really need to know the Rules and how they are worded, of the Track or series or event you'll be running in. I have had an eye-opener lately at how much the rules actually vary all in the name of the same class. From track to Track and series to series or even event to event.
I have seen stock suspension written as "Bolted to stock location", which means you could use anything that would bolt in. I have also seen it say "Stock Style or Type", if they use that wording you would be stuck with a Torsion Bar front suspension.
That being said:
About your best 2 option for Stock Suspension, (which is the Norm for X275) would be.
1. a-body with cal-tracs and Tubular front suspension and K-frame that bolts into factory locations (If allowed). And Fiberglass everywhere allowed.
2. would be a 1979-1993 Mustang with a Mopar Power plant in it.
One of my co-workers has a 1983 Mustang (Chevy Powered) in this class and he's constantly nagging me to either sell him my motor or scrap my Dakota and get a Mustang to put my motor in.
He is saying X275 it is the same rules on the whole east coast and mid west!!!!!! As also stated in the last x275 thread NO TWIN TURBOS IN X275.
3 different tracks / events 3 different sets of rules all on 275's being the only thing that's the same. Call it 275, 8.5" or X275 fact is not all tracks or events call it the same or run the same rules except that the tire is the same. If you want to stick with the X275 designation then many tracks don't even run that class.
Same goes with Outlaw 10.5 and True 10.5.
http://king-of-the-streets.org/Street%20Race%20Rules%202012.htm
http://www.houstonoutlawracing.com/extreme_street_10.5.aspx
http://www.shakedownatetown.com/class_rules.html
That's just 3 that have been pointed out to me recently when I was looking where to put my Dakota Based on how I want to build it.
At Shakedown I could get in any 10.5 class I want as long as I could qualify. At Houston Outlaws I could only get in their ProMod class, some rule in all other 10.5 classes would put me out.
Only one of those events had X275(shakedown) all the others had different classes.If you want to run X275 you have to do it at one of the dozen or so tracks that run their events(MIR,CECIL,ATCO,VALDOSA,PEIDMONT,etc). If you choose to run at tracks that have different rules so be it. You need to pick a class and build your car for that class and not all these different classes you keep bringing up. If you try and build for all these seperate classes your car would probally not be real competive in any.
Last edited by 1967DartGT; 10/16/11 10:24 PM.
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Re: mopars and X275
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10/16/11 10:28 PM
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Here is the tracks X275 is run at
MARCH 2011
Southern Shakedown at PBIR: 3/4 and 3/5 Ronnie Wilson Winner(Nitrous)
Virginia Motorsports Park: 3/26 RESCHEDULED for APRIL 2
APRIL 2011
MIR: 4/1
PBIR/SHRA #2 4/1 and 4/2
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 4/2
Cecil County: 4/2
Piedmont: 4/3
Rockingham Civil Wars: 4/8 4/10
ATCO 4/15
MIR: 4/22
VMP: 4/23
National Trail Raceway/Unlimited Outlaws Columbus, Ohio 4/23
New England Dragway 4/30
Cecil County: 4/30
MAY 2011
Capital Raceway: 5/7
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 5/7
Piedmont: 5/14
MIR: 5/20
ATCO 5/21
Milan, Mich: 5/21
New England Dragway: 5/21
Piedmont Ultimate Outlaws: 5/28
New England Dragway: 5/28
JUNE 2011
Cecil County: 6/4
VMP: 6/4
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 6/4
Piedmont: 6/11
ATCO 6/11
Milan Ultimate Outlaws: 6/11
New England Dragway 6/12
MIR: 6/17
Milan, Mich: 6/25
JULY 2011
Cecil County: 7/2
Piedmont: 7/9
Cecil Ultimate Outlaws: 7/9
New England Dragway: 7/16
ATCO 7/23
MIR East Coast Door Wars: 7/30
Milan, Mich: 7/30
AUGUST 2011
Cecil County: 8/6
MIR: 8/12
Piedmont: 8/13
Milan, Mich: 8/20
ATCO- 8/27
VMP: 8/27
New England Dragway: 8/27
SEPT 2011
Yellow Bullet Nationals Cecil County: 9/2 9/4
Piedmont: 9/10
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 9/10
National Trail Raceway/Unlimited Outlaws Columbus, Ohio 9/10
MIR Ultimate Outlaws: 9/17
Rockingham Civil Wars: 9/23 9/25
Milan, Mich: 9/24
OCTOBER 2011
Cecil: 10/1
Milan, Mich: 10/1
Piedmont: 10/6
Piedmont: 10/8
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 10/8
VMP: 10/8
SGMP 10/14 10/16 Radial Revolution No Mercy
New England Dragway: 10/15
ATCO 10/22
BMP 10/21 10/23 ODRC
NOV 2011
MIR 11/5 and 11/6 World Cup 1/4 mile
Sunshine Heads Up Madness: 11/19
DEC 2011
Snowbird Nationals Bradenton 12/2 thru 12/4
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