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Re: Black Out Overspray- Any Survivor Pictures out there?
[Re: JohnRR]
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other side.
I think the guy in the pit must have taken some "tokes" before trying to apply the black out on this A12. Not a very good job of getting the radiator support painted.
More pics Please.
I'm sure that radiator support had more paint on it when it was new than it does now 30 some ood years later ..
oops ... 
30 or 40? ood or odd? Think you been a "token". 
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Re: Black Out Overspray- Any Survivor Pictures out there?
[Re: Mopar Grandpa]
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other side.
I think the guy in the pit must have taken some "tokes" before trying to apply the black out on this A12. Not a very good job of getting the radiator support painted.
More pics Please.
I'm sure that radiator support had more paint on it when it was new than it does now 30 some ood years later ..
oops ...
30 or 40? ood or odd? Think you been a "token".
no token , never know if I'm going to have to pee in a cup ...
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Re: Black Out Overspray- Any Survivor Pictures out there?
[Re: cdp]
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10/05/11 08:49 AM
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Re: Black Out Overspray- Any Survivor Pictures out there?
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10/05/11 08:53 AM
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Re: Black Out Overspray- Any Survivor Pictures out there?
[Re: lewtot184]
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10/05/11 04:18 PM
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if you want to look at original underhood/core support black-out my 69 r/t has it. i'm a in the indy area.
Yes, I'd like to see it. I'll send you a PM with my contact info. Thanks
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Re: Black Out Overspray- Any Survivor Pictures out there?
[Re: az426john]
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10/06/11 02:48 AM
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I was told that it was done by a guy in a pit as the car passed over his head
40 hours a week in the pit. I bet he was glad at quitin' time on Fridays.
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Re: Black Out Overspray- Any Survivor Pictures out there?
[Re: 70 buzz]
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10/07/11 09:10 PM
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Re: Black Out Overspray- Any Survivor Pictures out there?
[Re: RoadRunnerJD]
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10/07/11 09:36 PM
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This is a survivor picture that Bill sent to me of his '69 RR survivor car. If a painter was in a pit beneath the car how in the world did he get paint on the bottom lip of the radiator support? Was there a guy in a pit and one on top? Inquiring minds want to know.
Here's a question, if yours came like that and you were doing a rotisserie paint job, would you duplicate the terrible looking overspray paint above the lip? If you duplicated it in a resto, would you keep a photo of it to show the judges that it came that way? If you didn't know it came that way, would you want yours to look like that because it might have come that way? Same way of thinking about the top of your grill
support. I don't see any overspray on top of the grill
support in the photo...that was your original question. Nobody has acknowledged seeing one with the overspray like yours. Are you really satisfied with having yours that way?
It's not about my car and I am not trying to make a defense for how it was restored. My car will never go to another judged show so it doesn't make a difference to me. It's about how they were painted and from the pictures I've seen so far some were painted awful and some were not. I just don't think there was a standard as there are way too many variations. But again, was there a guy in a pit and a guy on top? From the pictures I've seen it appears that this might have been the case. I'm trying to learn more and more about the procedures which I hope will help others learn something new too.
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Re: Black Out Overspray- Any Survivor Pictures out there?
[Re: Mopar Grandpa]
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10/07/11 10:49 PM
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OK, after this, I will finally drop it but I was just asking you to say what you would do if you were going to restore that car? You say not but you have been trying to rationalize the overspray on your "valence" for a couple of months? I think it's a real restoration question that has gone unanswered in two posts now. There are really three questions here for you Grandpa:
• If the red car above was your car, would you restore the overspray above the lip?
• If you could not document that the car came that way,
would you do it that way because it may have been painted
that badly by a careless overpaid union line worker?
• It's not your fault and I may be way off base but why did
someone with Paul Jacobs experience get overspray on your
expensive paint job with no documentation if that is the case,
resulting in you losing a point that may have cost you an
award?
Grandpa, this is not to be critical. It's just to get to the bottom of the points you are trying to make. Everyone posting has answered your questions. The judges at the Mopar Nats had no choice regarding the overspray but definitely could have been more lenient on the battery cable. The radials and wrong wheels on the other car are just wrong. Your car is beautiful. I would not hesitate to enter in judged shows. They are not going to be like Mopar Nats....although, if you take the comments to heart, you could get a perfect score next year. You may win first everytime and you may not but it's all good.
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Re: Black Out Overspray- Any Survivor Pictures out there?
[Re: RoadRunnerJD]
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10/07/11 11:10 PM
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After being contacted I thought I would post my reasoning for the oversray. Simple-I did it sloppy like the factory would have and the overspray simply went where it landed. The photo attatched shows just how sloppy the factory was, it's a Lynch Rd Satellite built in the same month as Johns. Since I had no before pics of Johns, I took the liberty of using my own creativity based on what I had seen on other Lynch Rd cars-right or wrong....I do my best to do things based on my 25 plus years of research and documentation. I could post over 10,000 pictures on here of details, but few people would appreciate them-they would rather bicker back and forth with their closed minds and that is why I haven't been on here in months. I'm telling you for a fact, after taking over 100 cars apart, I have seen things that people would NEVER accept was factory, but things were a little different in the real world of production....
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