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Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? #1080908
09/23/11 03:10 PM
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I am trying to learn about the advantages /disadvantages of going to a hydraulic roller cam versus my flat tappet. What are the pro's and con's? I have a 440 and I want hot street but able to drive it in the country. I realize that I need new rockers/pushrods but would I need to machine my heads for springs etc? Tell me about what you have learned, please! Thanks...


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Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 4boxers4] #1080909
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SB is cheaper and ez-er as they have stock roller blocks and valve gear VS the BB retro fit is the first thing I learned.

pro for roller is no worry on the oil/zink,break-in for the cam,you can move the lifters around on the cam unlike a flat tappet.

I just pulled the SB roller cam from one engine and stuffed it right in another with defferent lifters this time with no break in worrys

cons for BB are bronze cam gear/high rate of wear,machine work to clearance roller lifters,adjustable rockers/PRs,higher spring pressures and maybe more machine work,more $ to reto fit,and lot of measureing and math

pro for BB is high performance,no break in worrys with oil, and mild to wild on cam selection

I am working that way for my BB,been roller cam in the SB since 07, never going back to flat myself

and member Brian/IMM has made some lifters to adress some of the opil problems with high lifts,stronger lifter bodys,oiling to the rollers..ect

lots of home work to do yet for a BB

Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1080910
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Kind of figured it would entail alot of math and that's cool. You gave me alot of good information! The "machine work to clearance lifters" is cylinders heads for the spring or lifter bore or...?Thanks again!


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Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 4boxers4] #1080911
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I am still researching it also,but i think some lifters need the block clearanced for the link bars on the lifters and room to get them to drop in the bores.

and depending on the lift and springs..single/double/triple the heads may need machine work also. depending on how mild to wild the cam goes

and then there is the hydro roller lifters or solid roller lifters.

the lunati roller cam I used in the SB,used the comp 901-16 spring which is a single and drops on with stock seals,found that after i got the lunati springs and found it needed PC seals and machine work for double with damper.

so it be wize to do enuff research and homework with the BB swap,but in the long run it will pay off in performance and longevity done right the first time.

Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1080912
09/24/11 01:09 AM
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I think I answered to a previous post you put on here not too long ago but I didn't mention anything about machine work. I got Eddy RPMs and had no issues at all. The Bullet cam came with matching springs which went on with ease.

Dave

Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 67dodge67] #1080913
09/24/11 08:25 AM
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I am running a .510 lift Sig Erson hydraulic roller with Scorpion hydraulic roller lifters in a 505. I had to do no machining of the block and the cam used a standard oil pump drive gear. Used the recommended Erson springs. Have run for 2 years now and around 3000 miles with no problems. Grind # is RH-286-340 and the Erson part # is E419105. Super low end and mid range torque. Barely lopes at idle.

Roger

Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 4boxers4] #1080914
09/24/11 10:32 AM
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Do some research on the amount of spring pressure you can run with the hyd roller lifters, and how high you can turn the motor with the combo. A good friend of mine put hyd roller lifters in his low deck 500" Procharger motor,and it dropped 2 valves on the first pass. He got conflicting info from the Comp cams guy and the Procharger guy when he was planning the motor, and almost junked a set of B1 heads because of it. I wish I remembered the exact details so it would be more help, but it's been several months since it happened. Find out as much as you can before you plunk your money down. Good luck.

Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: JDMopar] #1080915
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Running one in my Belvedere and love it. I cannot see myself ever going back to a solid for the street.

Low maintenance, reliable, and plenty of power.


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Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 1badmopar] #1080916
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running a Bullet Cams reground small block roller in my 318...love it


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Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: patrick] #1080917
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Running a 97 rollercam 5.2 in my 'Cuda. Using Engine Quest heads with LA drill angle, it looked totally stock until I replaced the Carter BBD with a 1406.
Eventually, I will have the cam reground to the same specs Patrick did but I have temporarily run out of money. It runs very nicely and I do not have to worry about zinc or the lack of it in oil.
Craig


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Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 4boxers4] #1080918
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The only downside to running a roller cam is cost.
Part of the additional cost besides the cam and lifters are valve springs, pushrods, cam button, and bronze distrubitor/oil pump gear.

Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 451Mopar] #1080919
09/24/11 11:24 PM
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I'm using a Comp hydraulic roller(XR280HR-10), 440 source lifters, 440 source roller valve train and 440 source heads. No block machining necessary. So far, no problems.

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Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: TooMany62s] #1080920
09/26/11 11:05 PM
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Quote:

I'm using a Comp hydraulic roller(XR280HR-10), 440 source lifters, 440 source roller valve train and 440 source heads. No block machining necessary. So far, no problems.




I have 440 source heads as well. are you using all stock Stealth components with your combo, please? What type of Rockers are you using with that combo please?
Thanks for all the good input guys!


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Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 451Mopar] #1080921
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The only downside to running a roller cam is cost.
Part of the additional cost besides the cam and lifters are valve springs, pushrods, cam button, and bronze distrubitor/oil pump gear.




Don't forget bronze tipped fuel pump push rod.


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Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 451Mopar] #1080922
09/27/11 01:03 AM
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I wonder, why do you need a different oil pump drive gear?

Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 4boxers4] #1080923
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I run a .485" Comp Cams hydraulic roller in my motorhome. Runs awesome, lots of torque, good power from idle on up, but it won't pull 7000 rpms for sure!

It's a 9.5 to 1 compression 360, 2.02 ported heads, M1 intake, 600 Edelbrock on a M1 intake, 1 3/4" headers and 3" exhaust. 4.10 gears.

I run 3500+ rpm for hours at a time. I love the cam, my motorhome moves pretty danged good IMO.



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Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 4boxers4] #1080924
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Quote:

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I'm using a Comp hydraulic roller(XR280HR-10), 440 source lifters, 440 source roller valve train and 440 source heads. No block machining necessary. So far, no problems.




I have 440 source heads as well. are you using all stock Stealth components with your combo, please? What type of Rockers are you using with that combo please?
Thanks for all the good input guys!




I am using 440 Source hydraulic roller lifters and 440 source roller rockers and shafts.

Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: TooMany62s] #1080925
09/29/11 12:17 PM
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Quote:

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I'm using a Comp hydraulic roller(XR280HR-10), 440 source lifters, 440 source roller valve train and 440 source heads. No block machining necessary. So far, no problems.




I have 440 source heads as well. are you using all stock Stealth components with your combo, please? What type of Rockers are you using with that combo please?
Thanks for all the good input guys!




I am using 440 Source hydraulic roller lifters and 440 source roller rockers and shafts.




Wow I didn't know they sold rockers...sorry, I missed that one! Thanks


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Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 4boxers4] #1080926
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If you use a hydraulic roller camshaft you can use stock stamped steel rockers, just get the pushrod length right. Millions of Detroit hydraulic roller engines have been built with non-adjustable valvetrain.

R.

Re: Anyone using a hydraulic roller camshaft? [Re: 451Mopar] #1080927
09/29/11 05:53 PM
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The only downside to running a roller cam is cost.
Part of the additional cost besides the cam and lifters are valve springs, pushrods, cam button, and bronze distrubitor/oil pump gear.




Yeah, but flatten one solid flat and the roller cam is paid for...sort of.

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