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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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Well either the front clutch was slipping in high or it was dragging in 1st and 2nd. It's pretty hard to say from what is pictured as to what happened though. What exactly was the progression of systems?
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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09/18/11 08:22 PM
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Without seeing it in person,it is hard to say for sure. I would bet if you take the return spring out of it,it is bent/broke/or twisted. High r.p.m's and the return spring unwinding,added up to cause the clutches to drag all the time.  Keith
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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Get rid of the single wound spring in the front drum and go with 24 spring kit.. the single wound spring will unwind at high rpms and allow the disc to drag.. http://www.tcsproducts.com/products/product/15/A&A sells it also
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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09/18/11 08:51 PM
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I would have to agree, 9600 rpm's, youza, that single spring needs to go.
"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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09/18/11 09:58 PM
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Yes I did check the valve body/shifter adjustment.
So the spring is more than likely the culprit? If so this thing has been 39 runs shifting at 8800 rpms. I guess it was a matter of time before something bad happened with it.
Are there any other internals that don't agree with the high rpms that I should look into upgrading while I have the trans apart?
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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It looks like the front drum piston was touching the rear drum when the front clutch was applyed. if you have a 4 disc fron drum, and you use a rear drum made for a 5 disc drum (taller splines), when the piston applys the clutches, it will hit/rub the rear drum.
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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I've seen a rear clutch hub made for a 4 disc front clutch not have a long enough hub to engage all 5 disc lugs in the front drum.
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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09/18/11 10:32 PM
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1.25 is a four disc front clutch drum, I just measured 2 of them.
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'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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OK, remove the piston from the front drum, to make sure the drum & the piston are a match set.
Maybe a stupid question, How do you know if they are a match set?
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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Get rid of the single wound spring in the front drum and go with 24 spring kit..
the single wound spring will unwind at high rpms and allow the disc to drag..
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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09/19/11 10:58 AM
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Might as well get an aluminum or steel drum for it now especially if you are turning it that high. You have to be careful about the 4/5 disc thing though. The 5 disc front clutch trans takes a different rear drum, reaction shaft and input shaft. Good luck.
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'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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09/20/11 06:54 PM
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Whats the rusty lookin orange color on the front drum & spring? Is that clutch material or rust? 
Not sure what you're seeing on the drum but those springs are painted.
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'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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Orange stuff on the first pic on the inner hub, then on the spring pic, same colour stuff.
The spring is still in the drum on the first pics.
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'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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09/20/11 08:37 PM
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Was the spring painted orange? If so.... never mind 
Yeah, that's orange paint or just discolored yellow. Yellow is usually what I see but, I'm color blind too so that may or may not be correct. 
"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"
'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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09/21/11 01:26 PM
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Thanks for all the info guys. Billet drums are pricey I see. Might have to leave it on the bench for a while. 
How much is the trans, the floor of the car, your feet, etc. worth ???
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Re: Trans problems... What caused this???? Pics
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09/21/11 10:27 PM
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Thanks for all the info guys. Billet drums are pricey I see. Might have to leave it on the bench for a while.
How much is the trans, the floor of the car, your feet, etc. worth ???
I've never seen a 904 explode the drum, I think the mass just isn't there, but, it's worth the money as has been stated. Besides I don't know anyone else spinning a 904 behind a 9000+ rpm engine so think about it.
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'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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