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Going to do a set of B1 Originals for a customer, who is a friend of Bryan Sloans. It's going to be a 540BB, nice reliable HP. I have some pics for guys that don't get to see them much or have never seen them. I'm going to be gone for a week, taking a much needed vacation. Will be back soon. After I get back, I will have some more pics of different stages of port work till they are complete, along with flow #'s and port speed #'s. All in fun, so no picking...   This is mostly for guys who might be intimidated by the B1's. You never see any articles with B1's in them, very rare. No build up articles, nothing to help mopar guys see how easy these heads are to use. Yeah, they cost alot, but they provide very good HP, and we're going to do it without porting the hell out of them. This will be an ongoing post that I'll update from time to time as I do the work, showing what needs to be done and why. These are my favorite heads of all time, so that's why I thought this would be something others would like to see. Brian
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Here's what they flowed on my bench at 28" depression, 4.350 bore, pipe on exhaust.
Remember, this is only cleaned up bowls...they are not ported yet. We will get to that, but it's going to be a few weeks because I'm on vacation for a bit.
The exhaust port is weak like this, but it won't be when I'm done with it.
This is just to show what can be expected if you bought them with the work done, or had someone do it for you without spending a ton of $$$ on porting. However, your goal will have a direct affect on how much porting you will need to get the HP you want. I see too many people over port these heads and I will show how to get good flow and HP without hogging these things out to h20!
Lift Int. Ex.
.200 139 102
.300 205 145
.400 267 183
.500 322 218
.600 358 242
.700 381 258
.800 387 268
Keep in mind I have no done any chamber work, or real porting yet, so the mid lift #'s up to .450 are weak...but look at the jump on both intake and exhaust at .500!
Port speed at the pushrod pinch area, at .500 lift is only 245fps which means the air speed is rather slow. However, after chamber work and proper porting you will see the air speed go up here. That's when you have to manage the air speed by enlarging this area some. But we don't do it on the pushrod side of the port.
I'll explain in detail when we get to that point.
Enjoy the pics, and I'll answer questions as we go.
Brian
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Brian,
My brother inlaw had a 452in B1. It ran 7.90's in a 1650lbs dragster. The motor was so simple it was sick.
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I just wish someone made a cast tunnel ram for B1 origional heads.
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DV8, Yes its going into his second Valiant that he bought from the Northwest.
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could an Indy tunnel ram for 440-1 heads be made to fit??
I will check it out soon. I have a Tunnel Ram for Indy 572-13 heads that I will try out.
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A sheet metal intake from TRE isn't that expensive, around $1750 last time I looked into it. I know someone who has an unused weld together Tunnel Ram for a B1, they aren't the prettiest looking things AL.... ***EDIT*** - TRE intakes are now $1995 http://treracingengines.com/
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That guy who sold you the first Valiant got caught up on here trying to scam another guy about his perfect third generation Cuda, haven't seen him since. If it makes you feel better it was the mention of your deal that saved the guy. Jesse Quote:
Hey Steve how you doin? The first Valiant was a mess. I got a great deal on the one I have now. I got it from a guy in Washington. Night and day difference between the two. Hope all is well!
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It would be really nice if there was a rating system like ebay on here or a way to track user IP's, cause that same guy just changes his user name or gets a new one and starts all over again on here. Jesse Quote:
Fortunately I was the only one who got scammed. I ended up selling the Valiant for what it was really worth to a father/son in Arizona. They were pleased and I was out a lot of $$. Let the buyer beware!!
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I am assuming the car these are going in is Brians old car?
BTW love B1's. If I could get anyone to buy the new Hemi in my car I would gladly build a B1....
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I am assuming the car these are going in is Brians old car?
Yep. That would be the one.
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This is a bump and a small update: remember guys, we are not going for KILL on these heads. They will be opened up some, for sure. And I may change the seat angle but Mark wants RELIABILITY FIRST!! That's why we are going the B1 and 540cid route. Easy HP without pushing the limits of every peice in the engine. I mostly wanted to show guys what little effort in B1 heads can do for HP. And these heads work on just about any cid! I'm still on VACA. for another week, but I'm home now. Had some fun over in Huntington Beach, did some boogy bordin', with the family (all of us boogied) and got some nice rays  Thanks for the positive replies, hope that keeps with the entire post. And just so you guys know, I won't be arguing with anyone over this post, or anything pertaining to it...I'll just hit the ignore button  Brian
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brian i sure would like to see some CC'##'s from the runners when your done and maybe the CC's of the combustion chamber.. if your gonna CC them..
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Finally got around to doing more to these B1 heads. I did very basic guide boss work, blended the ex seat into the chamber and bowl, more bowl work and some short turn work. I did not really do anything to the port yet.
Intake side, I blended the valve job in some to the bowl and chamber, guide boss work and short turn work as well. This is all very basic stuff, and netted some real flow:
lift int. ex.
200 170 126
300 254 172
400 315 219
500 357 253
600 382 275
650 391 291
After 650 lift, the intake port drops down to 378 and the air speed above the short turn is 420fps! Very fast. This is how I would leave the port for a smaller cid engine, like a 440-480 incher. Port speed at the pushrod at .500 lift went from 245fps to 270. With the intake on, the port speed at the port opening measured 312! But I haven't ported it yet so it's still small.
The intake did help the head pull to .800 lift, so you see once the intake is ported, the intake port should not stall, and velocity in the intake tract will be high considering the reputation these heads have for being big and slow...
This is all on a 4.350 bore, 28", and I used a 2 1/4 pipe on the ex.
Intake valve now has a 30° backcut.
I'll pour an intake port and the chamber tomorrow and post the cc's.
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Hey Brian is there a speed you like to see at the different CFM levels and is that speed linear. Nice work.
Jesse
It all depends on application. If your trying to speed the air up to compensate for something, like low compression then you do what you can to speed it up. I like to make the port as fast as possible, then slowly work on controling the air speed at the lifts that are important for the build.
This build, being a 540 peaking at 7000rpm, will need the air slowed alot more, and will need more cross section. But I wanted to show people that these heads that everyone says are slow and lazy are not...unless they are ported to be slow and lazy. Every person I've talked to about B1's has the notion that they need to be fully ported and have at least 500cid to use them....NONSENSE!
Infact, these heads can be used in quite a wide area from pump gas low compression engines, to smallish engines like 440's and also work good on 540's and up.
I just wanted people to see them up close, and personal and see what happens if you know how to make them work.
I'll post more pics and info after they are done for this project, so you can see the different stages.
Alot of guys chase that almighty flow # with these heads, and I'll bet the majority of these B1's floating around out there are over ported and under achievers. I'm not trying to start a wrestling match with anyone, so don't go there...I'm not claiming to be the guru of B1's, just trying to prove my point that these heads don't need a ton of work to make them perform.
Plus I think there are alot of tall tales and bad rumors about B1's and how they are very involved and super expensive. Well, they aren't cheap, but they will make more HP than 90% of the BB mopar heads out there so...you get what you pay for. Damn, I'm not even a dealer for B1's...
I will also show the steps needed to make these heads work, like the oil drains and pushrod clearancing that anyone with a die grinder and a bit can do.
Unless your name is Rob...  No grinder for you Rob 
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Great post to this point. Nice to see someone showing the potential of these heads and also debunking some of the old wives tales. Not to mention you have only scratched the surface of the potential they have 
 You are backing up with hard data what i have been preaching for years...lol Nice work, too.
Hey Al, you said you would run a B1 again in the Cuda..dont you mean B1/ TS heads...  
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4.500 bore, 4.25 stroke, and around 14:1. Those heads belong to my friend Mark.
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Threads like this one is the meat and potatoes of Moparts.......Great bunch of info..Tech archive material for sure. Nice work Brian 
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Ha Ha HA MOFO!
Nice work. Definitely a step or maybe a staircase above the "monkey with a die grinder" porting!
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Here they are in their final form ready to be machined. All porting done. Flow #'s are on a 4.500 bore, 2 1/4 pipe on exhaust. Took the pushrod pinch out so that the cross section is the same or slightly bigger than the throat, and short turn is bigger than both. Some guys wanted me to pour the intake runner...it measures 315cc. The chamber measures 74.5 cc with no milling yet. Yeah, I do alot of chamber work After this, I'll post some pics of the oil drains we drill, and a little pushrod hole enlongating  Here's some flow #'s and some pics.... lift int. ex. .200 170 130 .300 257 178 .400 318 230 .500 359 273 .600 383 298 .700 405 311 .800 416 317
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WOW! Very nice! Mark will be happy with those + he should fly...  Steve
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Thank you, thank you very much!!
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Quick question: How come there's no talk or much use of the B1 MC's anymore? Do they still make them?
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Threads like this one is the meat and potatoes of Moparts...
And, unfortunately, the stuff that used to be posted more often by some of our now-absent members. 
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Well the big deal with a Titanium valve is the weight..Do you have any idea what a Stainless 2.40 valve for a B1 would weigh. Let's just say it would not be very valvetrain friendly.
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Real good #'s with such little port work 315cc's and 416@800 nice.. some in here said that a M/C head will only go 420cfm... nice work brian .Thanks .let us know more as you go along.. true #'s
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Quick question: How come there's no talk or much use of the B1 MC's anymore? Do they still make them?
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The reason we didn't run the MC's, is because the intake valves need to be Ti. That drove up the price considerably. All Mark really wants is at least 800HP! I think he's going to be happy for sure 
Yes they are still being made, and they can make a fair amount more HP than the Original on a large CID engine.
Brian
Thats why I did'nt get them, too. The Ti valves added about $800. to the cost. With a 4.5 bore, i could have used them, but, like you i was'nt looking for max HP either.
Again, great info, thanks!
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Real good #'s with such little port work
315cc's and [Email]416@800[/Email] nice.. some in here said that a M/C head will only go 420cfm...
nice work brian .Thanks .let us know more as you go along..
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To me, the most impressive # is the .400 #. It's very hard to keep that # high, and still keep the port pulling. Usually I have give up some mid lift for high lift but I've learned a few things so they seem to be working for my porting syle.
Another thing I like to point out, is the exhaust port could be made alot bigger, especially at the bowl/roof transition, and it would flow more...but I like smaller high flowing high air speed ports for the ex. I also flowed it at 42" to see how it responds and it did very well with the pipe.
The ex. port from the flange to the guide boss is almost the exact same size as it was OOTB.
If we were going for more rpm, or max effort, or nos then the ex. port would have been bigger for sure.
Oh, and even though it looks like not very much work, it was alot of grinding to get them to the finished size and shape. The initial work was not too bad at all, very simple stuff...but the finished port got quite a bit bigger. I'd guess that the port cc after the initial port work was around 295-300cc.
There's a little more grinding on the 315cc port than a typical Indy-1 port job.
But it's worth it for sure!!
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A fully ported MC head done properly will go in excess of 420 with out any issues. Heck My originals were at 422...
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Ive seen some MC heads with a wild oval port job go into the 450 cfm range and they powered my friends Cuda into the 8.60 range. THat car would have gone 40s with some tuning. He sold the engine though. Someone is a lucky buyer.
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Ive seen some MC heads with a wild oval port job go into the 450 cfm range and they powered my friends Cuda into the 8.60 range. THat car would have gone 40s with some tuning. He sold the engine though. Someone is a lucky buyer. [/
So how much quicker do you think that motor will be in the tube chassis cuda its going into? 
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what were the valve sizes in this head build ? and anyone have a flow sheet on a ported set...
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Brian, in your opinion, how much would your basic stock rocker arm head pick up if you unshrouded the valves to use the head on a 4.5 bore? i cant get over what the chambers look like on that head. never seen this post before
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It''s a 14.1 with 4.375 bore, 4.150 stroke, 0 deck, 62cc chambers, coated exhaust ports and valves. 1050 carb with throttle
stop under it. Inake has been port matched only. 2308 bobweight. Cam installed at 109
When you said CNCed i figured they were fully ported..that must explain why your numbers are a bit low. Thats pretty good for just a port match, thats about all mine are too.
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Looks to me like it went lean on topend...and there is too much time between peak TQ and peak HP plus look at the hp curve...
This could be:
inefficient ports
header tubes wrong length/size
collector not right length
throttle stop can affect some engines negatively
IMO, the cam could use a tighter lca. I would try tightening the lash and see what happens.
See if power goes up or down, or doesn't change. Then get back to us.
Post the header tube length's, size, collector length from where the 4 tubes end to the collector opening, and collector size.
You'll also need at least 750lbs. open pressure on that cam with B1's. If not, could be slight valve bounce happening, although the A/F doesn't reflect that...do you know why it went up in the 15's????
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Your stuff flies Al, I would agree the B-1 stuff is stought. Heck my 498" B1-BS makes just under 900HP. Best Machine and Muscle Motors have done PSO deals and that stuff is real good. For the money B-1's are hard to beat. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer.gif" alt="" />
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if i had a set of those brian B1 heads they would go in the bed with me at night right between me and the ol' lady! lol
You'd rather mount your heads on the engine 
A guy emailed me from Mo. last night. He bought a car off me lat year. He said he had a set of B1 originals ready to bolt on for 2100 bucks
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X3...does that car run like it has 900hp?
Can we see the dyno on that?. That is a lot for a set of BS heads.
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As I have said in the past if you cannot make 800hp with a decent set of B1's your doing it wrong. My 67 Valaint was a basic 511 low deck with a good set of B1's that went 9.0's at 150 weiging 3470lbs. My current MC motor seems to run ok 
i would say you are right there, my 499 -1 setup figures out to about 750hp 5.0x at 1854lbs
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For the non believers on the B1-BS heads: First the heads have been worked big time by EPD (Larry Olson). A max Wedge port (kind of) with a 2.250" intake and a 1.800" exhaust, 60cc chamber. Injected on Alky, tunnel ram, 2-2 1/8" Injectorators. Final compression is 15.3:1 498CID When I find the dyno sheet I will scan it and post it. I was just trying to get the fuel curve close so I didn't push every last drop out of the motor on the dyno. I know one pull it made 867hp @ 6500rpm, the motor is supposed to go 7500rpm easy and there was no drop on the HP curve @ 6500.
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Biginch,
What made you go with the BS heads for that combo. The BS head is a good little head,but takes a lot of work to get their full potential, which can be much easier obtained with other heads. My last BS heads went on a boat out in california. A great velocity head. How much camshaft? Look forward to seeing how they run in your combo.
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What made you go with the BS heads for that combo. The BS head is a good little head,but takes a lot of work to get their full potential, which can be much easier obtained with other heads. ...Look forward to seeing how they run in your combo.
I will continue the post high-jack. More questions for BigInch...
First I don't doubt anymore that power from a MAX effort deal such as yours. But,I'm curious too why you choose that head for 750+HP because as Comp pointed-out there are other options? Are you sure EPD used 2.25" valves because every BS head I've seen had too small an insert to accomodate that size valve $$$. I'm not sure you meant your first post to read the way I read it but, it reads (to me)as-if it was as easy as pie (cheap too) to slam that piece together. Hope you didn't use the supplied BS rocker$. My point is that if you throw enough money (time/resources) at any head you'll make power.
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Why the B1-BS, because I had the heads. I agree a B1 would have been a better choise but I'm sick. I do have another engine for the car and it will be a bad ombray. I have T&D rockers that are pushrod oiled (bushed lifter bores). The other reason was Indy said you can't make a B1-BS head run with a Indy -1 (WRONG!) I like it when people say (you can't do that). Like I said the heads have been worked on alot and I'm either stupid and sick or dertermined and broke either way I did enjoy seeing the motor make real good power. I have a 596 predator motor for the next project and then the car will go to A/Gas (7.60) Anyway I love seeing B1 builds that is why I looked at this post in the first place. Sorry for a slight hijack. Keep up the good work.
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 just to keep this up there
still waitin to hear from that fellow in Brisbain. He was flipped over the car when he got it, he was like "pinch me" am i dreamimg? lol
said he would send some vid...are U guys racing down there right now?
cheers dave
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nice^ what kind of numbers out of those.
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jet doc, can i ask who did your heads?
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jet doc, can i ask who did your heads?
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Scott Brown, I think he uses Modern.
how much did the cnc porting cost you
At the time I had my B1 M/Cs done we had a group thing
going and it was $750 or $800... done at Modern
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my set is still in the boxes,i searched in vain for radars wherabouts to have him finish them but no such luck.the number i had for him was disconnected.so the search continues for somebody with max flow skills.i know koffels do good work but their prices are a bit astronomical.the new car is not yet finished anyway..anybody know of his wherabouts?
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my set is still in the boxes,i searched in vain for radars wherabouts to have him finish them but no such luck.the number i had for him was disconnected.so the search continues for somebody with max flow skills.i know koffels do good work but their prices are a bit astronomical.the new car is not yet finished anyway..anybody know of his wherabouts?
I think Ted(tboomer) talks to him... maybe PM Ted
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So was the porting done to these heads just not satisfactory or what?? You know...I'm standing right here and can hear you... 
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i believe thats the number i called that was disconnected,but i shall try again,thanks.if that doesnt ring out,i will pm ted...........
Left a message at that number a few days ago and he called back.
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