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trw 2295 dome piston's #1054955
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hi guy's rather new here so here's the question. just dropped my pistons off along with the rest of my rotating assembly at the machine shop. do i have to have my rods bushed for the floating pins in my new pistons.

Re: trw 2295 dome piston's [Re: buck440] #1054956
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They can be PRESSED ON also. YERR choice ...

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ok say they are pressed on do i still need the pin locks?

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Used these pistons for years and found several times with press fit the wrist pin on a piston or two were binding and had to re-hone the pistons in question.Finally full floated them with bushings and never had it happen again after 100/s of runs on the car.Good Luck

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thanks. thats all i needed to hear full float it is

Re: trw 2295 dome piston's [Re: buck440] #1054960
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Best way is to float them..Do you have the right locks for them ? they are round wire type.

Re: trw 2295 dome piston's [Re: buck440] #1054961
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thanks. thats all i needed to hear full float it is



When you say full float do you mean bushing the rod small end? I have seen shops hone the rod for a slip fit for the pin then an oil hole in the top (steel on steel). I would NOT recommend this.
Bushing the rods can be costly also. Aftermarket rods may be an option.
Looks like you are beginning a journey.

Re: trw 2295 dome piston's [Re: VernMotor] #1054962
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I wouldnt waste my time floating them... For your application you will only see your wallet lighten.
They use to come with one thick snap ring per side, totally diff from the new spiral type locks.
Compression is also no where near what the adv either...
closer to 9:1 than 11:1


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Re: trw 2295 dome piston's [Re: hankcrank] #1054963
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Used these pistons for years and found several times with press fit the wrist pin on a piston or two were binding and had to re-hone the pistons in question.Finally full floated them with bushings and never had it happen again after 100/s of runs on the car.Good Luck




WHY does this happen? ...I have a set of used 383 ones on rods and a couple of them are binding.

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yes exactly i meant bush them. it's not nothing radical just 440 2295's, stealth heads, 564lift cam, torker or victor intake just useing up some parts around the garage. gettin mixed signals now as for cost the machinist owes me a couple bucks

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TOOOO many negs on floating them

The cost .... and the possiblity of breaking or blowing out a lock .. and then THAT damaging the whole motor.

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one of my duster's all aluminum floors,tubs,dash certified 8.50 cage 2700 with iron head 383.

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Bushing the rods should not be big money.

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if you had to guess how much?

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I just had a set done about 4-5 months ago. I was thinking it was less than 150.00 with the bushings.I see if I can find my receipt.

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if you had to guess how much?




Slow down..... take 1 step back. stop. Think.
1 what rods are you using onthis build? ly?
do you know the condition of them? did you magnaflux them? rebuild the big ends?
how about new bolts.???
I have used 2295 a long time ago. THEY ARE VER HEAVY. and the pin is heavy
turning 6500 with those iis like turning 7500n with a lighter piston.

eventually .. one of those rods will break.
SO I would recommend an NEW aftermarket rod. they will be brand new , good materials, good bolts and bushed pins and MUCH stronger than stock. For a small expense now, or actually the same once you get done working on the rods you have, you will have something that will last.

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I have used 2295 a long time ago. THEY ARE VER HEAVY. and the pin is heavy
turning 6500 with those iis like turning 7500n with a lighter piston.

eventually .. one of those rods will break.
SO I would recommend an NEW aftermarket rod. they will be brand new , good materials, good bolts and bushed pins and MUCH stronger than stock. For a small expense now, or actually the same once you get done working on the rods you have, you will have something that will last.




agree with this..they was a set of aftermarket rods I had re bushed..long story

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I have used 2295 a long time ago. THEY ARE VER HEAVY. and the pin is heavy
turning 6500 with those is like turning 7500n with a lighter piston.

eventually .. one of those rods will break.
SO I would recommend an NEW aftermarket rod. they will be brand new , good materials, good bolts and bushed pins and MUCH stronger than stock. For a small expense now, or actually the same once you get done working on the rods you have, you will have something that will last.




agree with this..they was a set of aftermarket rods I had re bushed..long story



Sorry I cant see spending what $600+ for a new set of rods, and then a re-balance of another $200 for what kind of power gains?
Little to no HP gains.. He still has a heavy rotating assembly in the end too.
Id say his future isn't calling for him to spin this engine much over 6K.
My point I'm trying to make is .. "why take a shower and put back on dirty under wear"
Bushing those rods with those heavy pistons is a waste...
Buying new rods, and running those slugs would be a waste..
Spending $700-$800 for new rods and a re-balance with no power gains is a huge waste.
Those pistons were design to be a cheap alternative to Cast pistons... They were made to be run without a re-balance too.
Im not saying that floating rods isnt worth it... With New rods, and a re-balance yea... But not with those boat anchors.


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ok guy's im really gonna make your heart stop with this one. the rods are the extra heavy sixpack rods lol and im not turning more than 6000 to6200 thatsit. just tryn to get back racing rather cheap and like i said the machine work is not costing a thing. i made a trade deal for work. if i can get away with removng the stock piston's and putn those on with out re balance i will do that.

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ok guy's im really gonna make your heart stop with this one. the rods are the extra heavy sixpack rods lol and im not turning more than 6000 to6200 thatsit. just tryn to get back racing rather cheap and like i said the machine work is not costing a thing. i made a trade deal for work.



Id say you have the offcial Moparts Time Bomb there..
Im going to my corner now! The other can have this one!


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I would rather use LY rods
OK as long as you dont ever get bitten by the Go FAST BUG.
put it together as cheaply as possible. Press the pins so you dont have to worry about them again. keep the revs down and go have some fun.


But me personally, if I was gonna race it, I would put good rods in it.

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thanks guy's. guess only time will tell get it tick tick tick.

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ok guy's im really gonna make your heart stop with this one. the rods are the extra heavy sixpack rods lol and im not turning more than 6000 to6200 thatsit. just tryn to get back racing rather cheap and like i said the machine work is not costing a thing. i made a trade deal for work. if i can get away with removng the stock piston's and putn those on with out re balance i will do that.




Have the pistons floated to the pins, have the rotating assembly balanced and it should last a long time.
I ran this cheap 446 combo for 5 years with some home ported 516 heads, it ran a best of 10.80 in a 3400# Duster.
It would still be together but my friend bought the engine and put some better heads on it but he overtorqued the studs and pulled the threads in the block.

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nice duster. and thanks if it lets loose so be it i have a garage full of them no biggie was just wondering. i have a 74 duster with a rv 440 915 heads milled .060 cast crank stock pistons deep in the bore 3560# with me in it went best of 11.74 not bad for a junkyard engine lol.

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nice duster. and thanks if it lets loose so be it i have a garage full of them no biggie was just wondering. i have a 74 duster with a rv 440 915 heads milled .060 cast crank stock pistons deep in the bore 3560# with me in it went best of 11.74 not bad for a junkyard engine lol.



Thanks, I got the engine back in a trade deal so I'm going to repair the threads, clean it up, and run it with some open chamber heads in my 71 Power Wagon.

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