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anyone use this Lunati cam ? #1054145
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as i have been looking around to swap out my 509 hydraulic for a solid with a little more power
i have been looking at this cam,has anyone run this ?
Lunati
Part # 60342
Grind # VDBCR-280
lobe seperation 110,106centreline ,251/259@050,566/586 gross lift,014 lash
i am looking for a bit more overall punch with more up top.i would prefer to keep the rpm to 6500 max.
currently shift at 6000 trap 6300
car;440+055,3764lbs,dynamic 9 1/2 5100 flash,4.1 gear 28" hoosier radial
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Re: anyone use this Lunati cam ? [Re: tex013] #1054146
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Never used it, but with its lash that cam will have less duration then the 509. With its wider lobe sep it may be a bit soft in the midrange. But with the 5100 stall the two cams may run about exactly the same.

How much ET are you looking to gain?

Re: anyone use this Lunati cam ? [Re: Sport440] #1054147
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i'm only looking to pick up to 11.00.
around 2 tenths
maybe the comp 306S would be better,260/260@050,555 gross lift-022 lash.110 lobe centre,106 intake centreline.3500-6500
Tex

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New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
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New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
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Re: anyone use this Lunati cam ? [Re: tex013] #1054148
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i'm only looking to pick up to 11.00.
around 2 tenths

Tex




Throw the MP 590 in it and give it a go.

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would i need better head flow to run this ? or like the these early grinds they work around their limitations.i have pocket ported stealth heads and 10.78 comp.
how nice are these on the street for daily driving?

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New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
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New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
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Re: anyone use this Lunati cam ? [Re: tex013] #1054150
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Whats your head flow at now

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i have never had the heads flowed,but they do seem to work
i am open to suggestion.

Tex


New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
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Re: anyone use this Lunati cam ? [Re: tex013] #1054152
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The stealth heads can flow as well as the Eddys. So if yours are pocket ported there probably close to 300 or so. Thats plenty good enough for what you want to do ,IMO.

And Yes , your current combo works darn great.

My Old 509 combo was at 10.78 comp too, and ran 10.47,s @ 3000# It would of been faster with a 5100 vert vs a 4100 vert. 10.30,s or so I bet.

Re: anyone use this Lunati cam ? [Re: tex013] #1054153
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i have never had the heads flowed,but they do seem to work
i am open to suggestion.

Tex




I think that cam your looking at would be about perfect...
yes it will have a little less duration at the tight
lash but the wider LSA will help the top end and it
wont be soft in the mid range...street driving the
wider LSA is nice but it wont have much lope to it
if you like that

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thanks guys,
now to save for all the little extras and check P toV clearance.
as to idle lope not a worry if it makes plenty of power.the 509 idles around 800rpm in gear now

Tex


New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
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Re: anyone use this Lunati cam ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1054155
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i have never had the heads flowed,but they do seem to work
i am open to suggestion.

Tex




I think that cam your looking at would be about perfect...
yes it will have a little less duration at the tight
lash but the wider LSA will help the top end and it
wont be soft in the mid range...street driving the
wider LSA is nice but it wont have much lope to it
if you like that






If he wants to gain 2 tenths that cam will be far from perfect IMO. In a similer test I lost a tenth from a such a change. But with the 110 LS it was much more street friendly. But similer doesnt mean exact.

It was a HD vs HD, but the approximate lifts and duration "differences" would of been about the same between the above mentioned 248* 509 HD and the 251* Lunati solid.

My two cams numbers were
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1st cam:
108 LS MP 484
.484 lift 241*@.050 Intake.
.484 lift 241*@.050 Exhaust.

2nd cam:
110 LS Eddy 480
.480 lift 238*@.050 Intake.
.495 lift 246*@.050 Exhaust


On the above test I was expecting A bit more ET and top end with the combo. A little more low end grunt with the shorter intake duration and a little more top end with the wider LS and more exhaust duration.

The results were about 1 to 1.5 tenths less with a more streetable driving combo. Both cams were installed 4* advanced.


The conclusion I gained from this was, between all the differences between the two cams at LS,intake Lift/exhaust Lift.

At this level of duration, Duration @ .050 played the biggest part in performance.

Not lobe sep., or higher exhaust lift.

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i have never had the heads flowed,but they do seem to work
i am open to suggestion.

Tex




I think that cam your looking at would be about perfect...
yes it will have a little less duration at the tight
lash but the wider LSA will help the top end and it
wont be soft in the mid range...street driving the
wider LSA is nice but it wont have much lope to it
if you like that






If he wants to gain 2 tenths that cam will be far from perfect IMO. In a similer test I lost a tenth from a such a change. But with the 110 LS it was much more street friendly. But similer doesnt mean exact.

It was a HD vs HD, but the approximate lifts and duration "differences" would of been about the same between the above mentioned 248* 509 HD and the 251* Lunati solid.

My two cams numbers were
,
1st cam:
108 LS MP 484
.484 lift 241*@.050 Intake.
.484 lift 241*@.050 Exhaust.

2nd cam:
110 LS Eddy 480
.480 lift 238*@.050 Intake.
.495 lift 246*@.050 Exhaust


On the above test I was expecting A bit more ET and top end with the combo. A little more low end grunt with the shorter intake duration and a little more top end with the wider LS and more exhaust duration.

The results were about 1 to 1.5 tenths less with a more streetable driving combo. Both cams were installed 4* advanced.


The conclusion I gained from this was, between all the differences between the two cams at LS,intake Lift/exhaust Lift.

At this level of duration, Duration @ .050 played the biggest part in performance.

Not lobe sep., or higher exhaust lift.




This is a solid(not a hyd)... it will pull more
RPM than the hyd... thats why I asked the head flow
which you believe can do it

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Mr P,Sport440
i ran a couple of cams through Cam Quest to get some ideas.
guesstimates using my inputs
the Comp 509 nostalgia : 556hp/531flb
Comp XS290S(similar to Lunati)252/260@050 : 588hp/552flb
Comp 306S, 260/260@050: 588hp/532flb
Comp XTQ286S, 256/266@050 : 588hp/547flb
these peak hp numbers look about 25hp up but like a dyno just gives comparisons
All show near identical HP and similar tq.I am giving up around 30HP and some tq
Peak power is estimated at 6500,tq at either 4500 or 5000.keeps it all around my self imposed max rpm.but may push into the 10's,i guess short shifting will help there if necassarry
i guess its pluck a number from the hat
thanks again,
Tex


New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
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Re: anyone use this Lunati cam ? [Re: tex013] #1054158
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A basic 440 package responds to more cam duration and likes 108 or less lsa. these are torque motors, narrow lsa cams are torque cams. Put a cam in it with some serious duration and you will be rewarded with a serious hp improvement. Put a similar cam in it or something with a little more duration, and you MAY get a little more hp. You have the stall to run the 590. Put it in at 102, check V p, and fix. Then go run the number you want. Simple. And you can shift at 6200.
Basically you need head flow equivalent to Eddys, or well ported Iron heads. An 850 cfm carb, single plane manifold and 2 inch headers with long collectors.
I know of two guys both running this combo, one at 3700 lbs, one at 3800 lbs. Both have run tens.

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You have just described my package Greg, mine has 4800 stall, 4.56 gear, 12.5.1 comp, 950 holley, 2" TTI's with collector extensions at 3200# and i think there's a 10.1 in my car with more tuning, shift at 6200 goes through the line at 6500.
I cant believe how good this cam is.
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Although your OP was about a solid cam, this is an option to keep your hydraulic setup and gain a bit more punch in the swap.

StreetWize has commented that the Lunati 30307 cam is a much better performer than the Mopar 509 you currently run.

240/250 @ .050 .520 int /.547 exh
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/LUN-30307/
http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=1568


You might PM StreetWize and ask him about his results/opinion.

Here are a couple pertinent links to read on the topic:

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post6010517

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post4911436

Regarding a great running Solid cam, a call to Tim Goolsby @ UltraDyne/Bullet would be great idea.

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The Lunati cams are Great! 451 Jim uses this 30307 cam on his 3800# street car and it runs 11.70 or better something, If I remember correctly.

But with the 5100, Vert in the OP,s combo. Its to short on duration, to walk the dog on the old MP 509.

Tex, needs more then just a "Similer" Cam Tweak to gain .2 tenths in the 1/4 with his 3700# ride

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thanks again for all the input.
the 590 looks unobtainium at the moment,no biggy as i'm not ready yet.
Deaks,i know you have more comp but how does your motor/590 cam idle - way high?rough like a 509?
am i correct in thinking that i will need 6 - 8 degrees more duration on a solid to be somewhat equivilent to a hydro cam.hence from what some are saying i may really need closer to 260 or 265 to see a real gain,plus raise my peak power to around 6300 from 5800 now.is this what you are pointing out Greg ?
by the way i have 1 7/8 hooker comps into a 3"system to the diff with aero chambers.825 mighty demon on a M1 single plane.
Tex


New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
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thanks again for all the input.
the 590 looks unobtainium at the moment,no biggy as i'm not ready yet.
Deaks,i know you have more comp but how does your motor/590 cam idle - way high?rough like a 509?
am i correct in thinking that i will need 6 - 8 degrees more duration on a solid to be somewhat equivilent to a hydro cam.hence from what some are saying i may really need closer to 260 or 265 to see a real gain,plus raise my peak power to around 6300 from 5800 now.is this what you are pointing out Greg ?
by the way i have 1 7/8 hooker comps into a 3"system to the diff with aero chambers.825 mighty demon on a M1 single plane.
Tex




Engle Cams has a similar cam to the MP .590.

Part # 2387 .600" lift 274* duration @ .050 106lca

Install it at 102 and it should get you in the 10's easy.

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I use a Lunati #40316 in one of my 440s and it specs very close to what is being recommended here...

Adv. Duration:322/322
Duration @ 0.050" :276/276
Gross Valve Lift:.600"/.600"
Lobe Separation Angle / Intake Centerline:108/106



http://www.race-mart.com/Lunati-LTI-40316.html

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ouch - 270@050
i think i'd say thats too much for my aims

Tex


New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
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am i correct in thinking that i will need 6 - 8 degrees more duration on a solid to be somewhat equivilent to a hydro cam.hence from what some are saying i may really need closer to 260 or 265 to see a real gain,plus raise my peak power to around 6300 from 5800 now.
Tex





Yep, you are correct

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What I was getting at is the 590 will make great power down low, and you won't have to shift higher than 6200. It will however, have a rough idle. How close do you think you are on all other aspects of your combo? Jetting? timing? Cold air intake? 60 ft? Maybe a post on your entire combo, along with shift points, and all details of the time slips is a good idea. There may be some gains to uncover, which will help in deciding just how much cam you need to obtain your goals. With as loose a converter as you have, you can get away with about anything though.


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Sport440 thanks for the clarification
Greg
Current set up 68 Satellite
3764lbs with driver
440+055.10.78 comp.
509 cam,Crane 1.5 rockers.about 5.5"vacuum in gear
stealth heads,pocket ported only,open up behind valve and touch up radius,clean up ports
M1 single plane manifold
mighty demon 825,78/88 jets,6.5PV,35 front squirter,35 rear.1" open spacer,tried others no real difference
hooker 1 7/8 comp headers,3"system plus H pipe to diff,3"aero chambers
QA1 single adj front shocks,Rancho rear shocks with Caltracs.
dana with 4.1 gears
Hoosier radial slicks,275/60R15
six pack hood with cold air box.
sumped fuel tank,-8 line to mallory 140 pump,-8 line to mallory dead head reg,-8 line to carb fuel log,-8 to needles
18DBTC initial plus 18deg in at 2300 ish
leave the line at about 2800,can't hold much past this,vert flashes to 5100.it is a dynamic 9 1/2
best mph 119.47,Et 11.187@118.95
sixties best 1.54 average 1.55's
i shift at 6000rpm,trap 6300/6350
i have run this jetting for a couple of years,more fuel does not seem to help,AFR last time checked on the dyno was 13.0-13.2 this showed 416 RWHP and max TQ of 791.5 at 110KMH(about 3500RPM).Peak power was 57/5800rpm
rough idle,so does the 509
the cam does seem to be knocking off at or just after the stripe
1/8 mph is 95-mid 96 7.08-7.15
the only thing not checked as said is P to V
personally i am a little suprised how fast this has gone
thanks
Tex


New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
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I think your combo works well but you will have to up the cam to gain significant power and or have the heads fully ported. The .590 isn't 265 it's 271 dur at .050 and it is lumpy.
Mick


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best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
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Deaks,
thanks.
all my info shows 265 but ?
i think i will need at least 258/260@050 to see a real gain.
Tex


New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
Power by Tex's Automotive
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tex013:
all my info shows 265 but ?
i think i will need at least 258/260@050 to see a real gain.
Tex




With that 5100 flash rpm, you have enough converter to run the 590.
If you do run one, I would install it advanced to at least 102° and probably start at 100°

Read the posts by VernMotor and 572Charger.
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...amp;Search=true

Here is a post on the actual measurements of the MP 590
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...amp;Search=true

Quote:

440Jim:
In addition to the actual duration at 0.050", this is what Dwayne Porter measured on one a few years ago.

MP .590 cam, actual measurements-
DUR. @
.020=303.5
.050=270.5
.100=235.0
.150=205.0
.200=177.0
.250=148.5
.300=117.0
.350=76.0
lobe [Email]lift@TDC[/Email] @105 ICL=.140
LSA 106





Re: anyone use this Lunati cam ? [Re: topbrent] #1054172
08/19/11 09:48 PM
08/19/11 09:48 PM
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cool thanks,i was going off the DC cam lists

Tex


New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
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Re: anyone use this Lunati cam ? [Re: tex013] #1054173
08/19/11 10:40 PM
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I measured my mp 590 @ 272 @ .050 no lash. Toss in your effective duration loss with lash, of around 7* and what do you get. I never measured mine with lash figured in though.

MP,s 265*@.050 number is a calculated number off of its advertised duration of 312. 312 x .85 = 265.2

Your car IS Bad Ask!m I think you should keep with the MP cam route and go with the MP 590 if it will fit P/V, your Verts already fine. You will see your two tenths.

Thats the route Im taking.

Last edited by Sport440; 08/19/11 10:41 PM.

73 Sport 440, 509 cam w/Eddys 3.91 and 28.1"/27.3 tire. Et. 60 ft. 1.435, 1/8th. 6.61 @ 101.80 mph. 1/4. 10.472 / 127.78 mph. 2950# race/with me,and pump gas.
Re: anyone use this Lunati cam ? [Re: Sport440] #1054174
08/20/11 04:07 AM
08/20/11 04:07 AM
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thanks again,
much food for thought

Tex


New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
Power by Tex's Automotive
Re: anyone use this Lunati cam ? [Re: tex013] #1054175
08/21/11 05:51 AM
08/21/11 05:51 AM
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If you are looking for a bit more good info to get your car in the 10's, there is much to read in the "fast 3.75" stroke combos" thread:

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rt=all&vc=1

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