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What could cause this? #1016839
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My 440 sixpack at start up is running great after 1/2 hr or so of street driving the car starts to run sloppy and stall at every stop sign and red light. The engine has a comp cam# 21 227-4.timing at 10 btdc engine compr 9.7/1. Also when I am trying to start it at this point fuel shoots out of center carb like a fountain....fooled with mixture screws still cant get it to run right. I let the car cool...drive it again starts all over. Also checked timing does not jump. Thanks Rob


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Re: What could cause this? [Re: yellow sixpack] #1016840
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if fuel is shooting out of it, you either have too much pressure(electric fuel pump) or floats are not set right. or some combination of the two.
mixture will not help.

Re: What could cause this? [Re: Andrewh] #1016841
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No electric fuel pump here.


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Re: What could cause this? [Re: yellow sixpack] #1016842
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could also be heat build up in the carb presurizing it. but I would say that should not last long.

either way, recheck your float levels first.

Re: What could cause this? [Re: Andrewh] #1016843
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I would have to agree with the float adjutment. When the engine is cold it needs more fuel as air is more drnse. When it warms up it starts flooding. Hope this makes ence to you. Also how is you choke set?

Re: What could cause this? [Re: Andrewh] #1016844
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Pull the needle and seats......clean them. Stuck float.

Re: What could cause this? [Re: yellow sixpack] #1016845
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I WOULD SAY ITS A OVER FUEL PROBLEM OR BAD COIL......COULD BE A CHOKE STICKING OR THE FLOAT IN THE CARB AND IF YOUR RUNNING A COIL THEY CAN GO BAD WITH TOO MUCH HEAT.SOMETIMES IT COULD BE A BAD PLUG.

Re: What could cause this? [Re: yellow sixpack] #1016846
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choke may not be coming off

Re: What could cause this? [Re: yellow sixpack] #1016847
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Minute debris in the gas letting the float leak/bad needle & seat assy/needle & seat or float mechanically hanging up in its range of travel/idle psi on the edge of too high. I'd replace the filter if any doubts about it's veracity and sub in a new needle seat assy & reset the level & go from there. EDIT meant to say minute debris letting the needle/seat leak

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Re: What could cause this? [Re: RapidRobert] #1016848
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Thanks...all good stuff for me to ponder anything else would be apprecited...nobody think electrical?


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Re: What could cause this? [Re: yellow sixpack] #1016849
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CUDA8U seggested the coil might be getting heat soaked. (?)

Re: What could cause this? [Re: bboogieart] #1016850
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READ CAREFULLY.......FUEL OR COIL PROBLEM!!!!

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Yep but the O.P. asked about an electrical source for his problem and I just mentioned what you said. READ CAREFULLY AND TURN OFF THE CAP LOCK PLEASE.

Re: What could cause this? [Re: bboogieart] #1016852
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is your heat riser blocked? fuel is most likely boiling in the center carb. try putting race gas in it (much less volatile) and see if it's ok.


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Re: What could cause this? [Re: maximum entropy] #1016853
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Friends Nova did this after 5 minutes, bog and die and flame out when starting. it was fuel pressure related off a blue pump. contaminated seat would do the same.


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Re: What could cause this? [Re: Viol8r] #1016854
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Quote:

Pull the needle and seats......clean them. Stuck float.




I would suspect a needle & seat issue.

Re: What could cause this? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1016855
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I did read about the bad coil just wondering about the orange box heating up and shutting down should have been more specific I guess.


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Re: What could cause this? [Re: yellow sixpack] #1016856
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Quote:

Thanks...all good stuff for me to ponder anything else would be apprecited...nobody think electrical?




You say this: "Also when I am trying to start it at this point fuel shoots out of center carb like a fountain."
And you are asking if it could be electrical? I suppose if you were also having backfire issues (as in a distributor installed 180 degrees off, or mixed up plug wires) but absent that condition your problem most definately is fuel related.

Re: What could cause this? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1016857
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It did backfire once.


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Re: What could cause this? [Re: yellow sixpack] #1016858
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It did backfire once.








Backfire on the trio of Holley 2300's isn't a good thing, you may have ruptured the power valve in the center carb,....I would start with establishing that all 3 carbs have a properly set fuel level, just ebbing out the brass sight hole plug is your minimum setting on the end carbs, I like to use clear Holley sight plugs to set all 3, center carb I usually set at halfway in the "window".......to check to see if your Power Valve is toast without pulling it and performing a vac check, you can turn the air/fuel idle screws located on each side of the metering block of the center carb all the way in, if it stalls your power valve is good, it it's still idleing, it's junk....

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