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Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: mcmopars] #1012627 06/16/11 08:31 AM 06/16/11 08:31 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,564 St. Clair Shores, Michigan bigsbigelow pro stock
bigsbigelow pro stock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,564 St. Clair Shores, Michigan	Quote: bought a 61 that had flat tires because owner couldnt get the lugs off.he said they were on way too tight.but only on one side. Ryan "Bigs" '73 Duster (BLKDUST) - Black, 100% factory sheet metal, flat hood, 346 cid, J Heads, and a bench seat. http://s268.photobucket.com/albums/jj1/bigsbigelow/ Best to date: 12.40 @ 109 mph

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: Kern Dog] #1012628 06/16/11 08:36 AM 06/16/11 08:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,823 Between Houston & Galveston TX SattyNoCar Smarter than no class Flappergass by a mile
SattyNoCar Smarter than no class Flappergass by a mile Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,823 Between Houston & Galveston TX	Quote: Wasn't there a model that had the battery hidden behind an inner fender? Stratus for sure as I know from personal experience. I think the Intrepids and last FWD NewYorkers were too. John The dream is dead, long live the dream.......😥

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: T2R9] #1012629 06/16/11 09:12 AM 06/16/11 09:12 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,442 It's a dry heat gtx6970 Too Many Posts
gtx6970 Too Many Posts Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,442 It's a dry heat	Bad - Neon head gaskets. someday I'd like to kick the genius in the nads,, who thought putting a rubber seal between an alumunum head and a steel block was a good idea. To make it worst offer less than 3 hours warrenty time to replace said screw up the good - 3.3 water pumps. They are notorius to leak but at least there about as easy to replace as they can be.

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: gtx6970] #1012630 06/16/11 09:51 AM 06/16/11 09:51 AM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,278 San Jose, California D DennisH Vacation
DennisH Vacation D Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,278 San Jose, California	There's always stuff but I'm happy with the 69, 06 and 09.

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: SattyNoCar] #1012631 06/16/11 11:51 AM 06/16/11 11:51 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,318 Southern Maryland klunick master
klunick master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,318 Southern Maryland	Quote: Quote: Wasn't there a model that had the battery hidden behind an inner fender? Stratus for sure as I know from personal experience. I think the Intrepids and last FWD NewYorkers were too. Yep, Sebrings too. I was stunned by the stupidity. Others have already mentioned the Small Bolt/big Bolt wheels, crimp on coupler, ampmeter are a few mess ups. How about non-standard gauge sizes, glove box door without a latch on a 67 a-body=step on gas and open glove box, some of the one year only features on my 67's suspension. Complex installation and removal of the rear side windows on my Barracuda mean it is more practical to put them in before the quarters are welded on. The flip side is almost everything is fixable or can be improved upon with a little ingenuity!! 67 Barracuda FB 69 Superbee "Southern Maryland: If you want a good looking woman, you had better bring her with you"

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: DennisH ] #1012632 06/16/11 11:51 AM 06/16/11 11:51 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,019 Morningside AdventurerSport waaaay out there in left field
AdventurerSport waaaay out there in left field Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,019 Morningside	Amp gauges on 70s trucks, or how about keeping the same truck body style 72-93 but changing the body lines in 81 so that a 81-93 box will fit my 76 Power Wagon and work but not look right. How bout using Mitsubishi engines well past the point of having our own very reliable line of 4 cylinder and V6 engines? Diamond Star Motors...'nuff said. 2.2/2.5 timing belt design (non interference) Yay! Mitsu 4s, not so much...:( 3.6 Pentastar engine, yay! 2.7 sludge engine, Oh, and, anyone else enjoy changing the oil filter on 3.7 Jeep Libertys 08-up? Ugh! Tight and difficult to see! Which leads me to...who thought making Mopar oil filters BLACK was a good idea?? JS 76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red 06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II 06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi 10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI 10 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd 4x4 5.7L HEMI 11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red 16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: AdventurerSport] #1012633 06/16/11 12:11 PM 06/16/11 12:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,019 Morningside AdventurerSport waaaay out there in left field
AdventurerSport waaaay out there in left field Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,019 Morningside	Speaking of Mitsu engines, why did they ever switch from the common 3.0L down to a 2.5L version and then back to the 3.0? 3.0 was very common in the early 90s, then mid 90s Avenger, Sebring, Eclipse went to the 2.5, then back to the 3.0 around 2001...? Anyone ever notice Mitsubishi FWD drivetrains are backwards to ours? Chrysler uses an East-West arrangement, whereas Mitsubishi cars use a West-East style...(our engines sit with the front at the passenger side, their drivetrains face the drivers side)...meaning that, when we choose Mitsubishi as our Japanese partner, we couldn't even easily share powertrains. Dodge Challenger...Imported from Japan, with the new 2.6L Hemi! Ugh! I prefer my Mopar 10 imported from Canada with 5.7L Hemi! JS 76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red 06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II 06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi 10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI 10 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd 4x4 5.7L HEMI 11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red 16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: 383man] #1012634 06/16/11 12:35 PM 06/16/11 12:35 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,562 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,562 Downtown Roebuck Ont	Quote: Here is a good one many may not know. But on the old reduction gear starters when I would rebuild them Ma put a washer on end of the armature where the brushes go with 4 bent legs on it. It worked great when assembling the starter as the washer would hold the 4 brushes in place so you could slip the armature right in and the brushes would fall in place against the armature when it pushed the washer out. It really made it much easier when assembling it. Ron Once you figured out (read somebody told you) why that washer had those goofy legs on it. Kevin

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #1012635 06/16/11 05:31 PM 06/16/11 05:31 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 82 WA GasHog72 member
GasHog72 member Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 82 WA	Bad: 80's 2.2L/2.5L engines were junk. First big thing to go...the main bearings. Caravans, Shadows you could hear the rod banging around in most after 100,000 miles. They also had the stupid idea of putting the ECU wiring harness by the battery which resulted in the wiring getting corroded from the battery acid which caused random shutdowns and bare wires. 2003-2004 stratus has a horrible dash problem with the outer vinyl layer just peeling right off when exposed to defrost heat and sunlight. The rear disc brakes are not so easy to get off. They are held in place by something INSIDE the rotor like a drum. Never did get the back discs off. Never found out why the adjuster didn't let me remove it. Glad I sold it. Good: Early 60's body styling.

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: GasHog72] #1012636 06/17/11 12:36 AM 06/17/11 12:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	The 2.2 & 2.5 were know for piston pins getting loose and knocking. Had to replace the pistons to correct. Lost count of how many I did. Ron

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: 383man] #1012637 06/17/11 07:23 PM 06/17/11 07:23 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker H HYPER8oSoNic top fuel
HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Bad: After 78', NO MORE big block Mopar Engines being factory built, so they did not catch the "fuel injection" technology directly, as the small block and the HEMI (Gen 3) did. Good: Big blocks keep growing in displacement, as well as the aftermarket SHOWERING them with so much parts and equipment, it's mind boggling!! Just wish they would come-up with a Max-Wedge (port sized) intake for the B' engine! "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1012638 06/18/11 10:51 AM 06/18/11 10:51 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,019 Morningside AdventurerSport waaaay out there in left field
AdventurerSport waaaay out there in left field Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,019 Morningside	To the guy that mentioned the rear brake rotor that was held on like a drum...the something inside was the parking brake, which works just like drum brakes on the inside of the rotor "hat". Not really a Mopar thing, at least, not exclusively...they are all pretty much that way now. JS 76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red 06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II 06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi 10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI 10 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd 4x4 5.7L HEMI 11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red 16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: AdventurerSport] #1012639 06/18/11 10:57 AM 06/18/11 10:57 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,019 Morningside AdventurerSport waaaay out there in left field
AdventurerSport waaaay out there in left field Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,019 Morningside	My 2010 Jeep Liberty only has 1 factory power outlet! One!! Making it just as convenient and advanced as my 76 Power Wagon! (albeit at a drastically increased price)...! That's just stupid. Liberty platform gets NO upgrades as it's due to be replaced soon, but that means no MyGig radios for Libertys! ?? Wife is looking to upgrade her ride, may end up with a new Compass which has MyGig, two power outlets, and better fuel economy. Sheesh, other than the difficult oil change and the above issues, she really like the Liberty. I would've traded up to a newer Liberty with the Pentastar engine, but that's not coming, either, so Liberty buyers are stuck with the 3.7 engine (standard and ONLY engine in the Liberty) JS 76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red 06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II 06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi 10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI 10 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd 4x4 5.7L HEMI 11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red 16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: AdventurerSport] #1012640 06/18/11 11:46 AM 06/18/11 11:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,072 The Sunny Shuswap D dodgefarmer super stock
dodgefarmer super stock D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,072 The Sunny Shuswap	Bad- Internal water pump in th 2.7L and special tooling required to bleed air out of the coolant system. Randy

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: AdventurerSport] #1012641 06/18/11 12:22 PM 06/18/11 12:22 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,825 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,825 Kirkland, Washington	Quote: Which leads me to...who thought making Mopar oil filters BLACK was a good idea?? JS Adventurer; What is wrong with a black oil filter?

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1012642 06/18/11 01:28 PM 06/18/11 01:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker H HYPER8oSoNic top fuel
HYPER8oSoNic top fuel H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,275 Desert Tracker	Quote: Quote: Which leads me to...who thought making Mopar oil filters BLACK was a good idea?? JS Adventurer; What is wrong with a black oil filter? Whats wrong with 'em "Good guys (motors) wear black", quote on a Chuck Norris flick with a twist. I like the black filters because of the greasy prints left on those orange and white filters, removing and installing them! Don't have to keep cleaning them. "Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1012643 06/18/11 05:45 PM 06/18/11 05:45 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 155 Tulsa oklahoma USA 2 2734bbl member
2734bbl member 2 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 155 Tulsa oklahoma USA	mid 90's to early 2000's 2.5L Stratus,Sebring(coupe and convertable are 2 different cars completely,but both junk)and Cirrus were complete catastrophies. I'd like to meet the guy who designed the K frame on those cars and the guy who came up with the cooler line check valve on the trucks and Jeeps with about 2 feet of 5/8 heater hose handy. 01-05 minivan rear trans(firewall side) mount and lower ball joint stud with BOTH a lock nut and blue lock tight and you cant screw it all the way off without pushing the CV axle back.As a matter of fact most every bolt below the skin on these has locktight.Blower motor resistor on these...well...um... they blow... Goofy cooling system on the early Cherokees with the bottle by the firewall.Upper rear shock bolts on these are dreadfull also Dashes on 94-01 trucks... I still wish I knew why Chrysler was obsessed with a different bellhousing pattern or trans case for each engine or platform.The same motor and trans in a truck and jeep but the starter is on opposite sides and uses a diffrent starter.

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: 2734bbl] #1012644 06/19/11 11:38 PM 06/19/11 11:38 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,035 Missouri U.S.A. 7 71yelladustr super stock
71yelladustr super stock 7 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,035 Missouri U.S.A.	The bad: Late 90s and up Grand cherokee cooling fan relay placement. Power transfer units on AWD Journeys, GETRAG produced, need I say more. The new 62TE FWD auto transmissions. What a POS. The good: The vehicles they produce are generally easier to work on than the other brands. 392 gen III hemi on E-85 727 trans Dana 60 10.02@134

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1012645 06/20/11 08:44 PM 06/20/11 08:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,019 Morningside AdventurerSport waaaay out there in left field
AdventurerSport waaaay out there in left field Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,019 Morningside	Quote: Quote: Which leads me to...who thought making Mopar oil filters BLACK was a good idea?? JS Adventurer; What is wrong with a black oil filter? On the Liberty, the oil filter is very hard to see, and in black, it blends right in with the suspension. That's about it...white Napa Gold filters are much easier to see/find when changing the oil...that's all. JS 76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red 06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II 06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi 10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI 10 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd 4x4 5.7L HEMI 11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red 16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black

Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did .... [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #1012646 06/21/11 12:52 AM 06/21/11 12:52 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,665 Milwaukee, WI Prince_Valiant top fuel
Prince_Valiant top fuel Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,665 Milwaukee, WI	Bad: so many different K frames, bellhousing patterns, engine mounts...the only time I envy a GM guy is when they take a 250 inline 6 and bolt a 454 to it. Too easy. 1979 Dodge Lil' Red Express - 360 rwhp, 13.2 @ 103mph 1968 Coronet: 318, 2.76, 15.2 @ 92mph! (SOLD) 1976 Valiant: 360, 3.90, 12.90 @ 106 (SOLD) 1989 Shelby CSX #500/500

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