I will throw this out there. I had a conversation with Ken Lazzeri. I was asking about the valley pan, and told him my plans. He informed me that this intake will shave a easy .3-.4 off E/T, over the Cross Ram. He said it was a plug fouler, and was 75+hp behind the single plane intake I have. I don't think it was a sales pitch, he knew I already have the intake. He said the New MP unit like I have isn't as good as the Original Magnesium unit. I figured the Indy intake is a pretty good piece, but is this Cross Ram such a turd?