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Yep
just cuz someone makes something doesn't mean you need it. The factory might even have used them,(?)
but I never took one off a factory set up.
My cars are all older then that page (70&up).
I've been doing this since these cars were only 5 to 10 years old.

You my need them, all I am saying is I never have.
Get them on straight and they don't leak.

I have seen alot heat risers leak and folks thought it was at the pipe.



I am sure that we all are impressed by your ability to take used, mass-produced parts and align/true them up so as to not need a gasket, even in places that were originally assembled using a gasket.

The Original Poster, however, is not in your shoes, and is not helped by your claims.

Down to just a blue car now.