Thanks. actually that helps a lot as that is what I was seeing from the wiring diagram I have. Knowing the VL output is going to help me test that too (again). The new VL I got was supposed to be an upgraded (rebuilt OEM) transistorized one but I could not get any voltage through the output side but the old one did the blink test as it describes in the shop manual. so right now have the old stock OEM one in the dash. As I am sure you are aware with electrical it is a process of elimination so where you have me starting is from a place I had not done so on Saturday we start to pin it down. Thanks a great help.