WELL,for the people who suggested converter,bingo,pulled old(fresh rebuild) tranny,then pulled converter,and the converter has broken up,taking the shaft with it. Know i had a problem with the tranny,i ordered a new one from John Cope racing(see my good guy alert post),and installing that,the old one is also being redone and will go on the shelf for back upthank you for all the folks who helped me,as usual moparts is awesome