w you...this was about k-frames and quality,not really about ackerman and geometry..the cars that have the rms set up run 8.0zzzzzzz and 7zzzzzz like nothing o yea stock susp not tube chassis or backhalf,and as far as borrow yea its got willwoods and a pinto rack,..are you saying bob fabs his own rack's and disc brakes,i'm just sayin.