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Re: MoPig oil system --> Preview of coming attractions 8^P
[Re: VernMotor]
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I understand the angled dams in the rear but wouldn't be better if they were curled? Use 1" thin wall tubing and cut it length ways,using the 180degrees to channel oil to the sump. That way when the oil hits the modified tube it's channeled to the pan without splashing off and or up. I've made similar mods to stock small block pans. 
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Re: MoPig oil system --> Preview of coming attractions 8^P
[Re: 52savoy]
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11/30/12 10:59 AM
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So the only part of this I don't understand is the drainage dams.. could you expain this ?
The intent is they “should” help direct the oil back towards the main sump that's being collected through the windage tray vents & drains, rather than just pool up and splash around.
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Is the windage tray tall enough to sit down in the oil in the pan?
Not sure if I understand your question, but the tray should NOT be deep enough to get into the oil. The tray is intended to help remove oil caught up in the spinning crank assembly and allow it to drain back down to the sump where it can actually do some good.
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I understand the angled dams in the rear but wouldn't be better if they were curled?
Maybe, but the examples of dams that I saw in other pans that gave me the ideas for these were all simply tabs.
FWIW, I looked at a whole bunch of pans for different engines and saw some features which I decided could be of help w/ this OEM-type design. I made a bunch of poster board templates for the sump baffle and the drainage dams, mocked 'em up to make sure the windage tray would still be able to fit properly in the pan, and took the pan, templates, and windage tray to the shop. Their shop foreman (who happens to run an Outlaw 10.5 truck) looked over what I'd proposed and said “No problem, I can do this.”
You're seeing the final product above.
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Re: MoPig oil system --> Preview of coming attractions 8^P
[Re: BradH]
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11/30/12 11:30 AM
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Just a thought...have you checked that the pickup clears the tray? I used a source tray and had to hack a large portion of it to get the pickup (source also) to work.
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: MoPig oil system --> Preview of coming attractions 8^P
[Re: BradH]
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What pump are you going to use?
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: MoPig oil system --> Preview of coming attractions 8^P
[Re: BradH]
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12/01/12 12:00 AM
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Is the windage tray tall enough to sit down in the oil in the pan?
Not sure if I understand your question, but the tray should NOT be deep enough to get into the oil. The tray is intended to help remove oil caught up in the spinning crank assembly and allow it to drain back down to the sump where it can actually do some good
Sorry, my question wasn't clear. I understand the tray should not be deep enough to get into the oil. In one of your pictures it looks like the tray goes deep into the pan, to about the height of the dams you added. Of course it is really had to tell from a picture. How high is the oil level in the pan when filled with 6 quarts? I'm thinking it is above the baffles in the sump. I was trying to question whether the tray would get to the oil level.
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Re: MoPig oil system --> Preview of coming attractions 8^P
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... How high is the oil level in the pan when filled with 6 quarts? I'm thinking it is above the baffles in the sump. I was trying to question whether the tray would get to the oil level.
Good question: I'll have to dump 6 qts of something into the pan and see where the level comes up to. It's a factory 6-qt design, so I'd ASSume that much oil woiuld be below the original baffles in the sump... but I'll check to be sure. 
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Re: MoPig oil system --> Preview of coming attractions 8^P
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No girdle  
Not on that block. That particular one has the Pro-Gram cross-bolted conversion caps installed on #2-4.
My other block (work in progress) that's already been fitted w/ aluminum main caps will be getting a main cap girdle (unless I change my mind before I bolt it all together).
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Re: MoPig oil system --> Preview of coming attractions 8^P
[Re: BradH]
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12/06/12 08:03 PM
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... How high is the oil level in the pan when filled with 6 quarts? I'm thinking it is above the baffles in the sump. I was trying to question whether the tray would get to the oil level.
Good question: I'll have to dump 6 qts of something into the pan and see where the level comes up to. It's a factory 6-qt design, so I'd ASSuME that much oil would be below the original baffles in the sump... but I'll check to be sure.
A 6qt pan would have 5, plus whatever wasn't in the full size filter, in the sump.
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Re: MoPig oil system --> Preview of coming attractions 8^P
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12/06/12 11:47 PM
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... How high is the oil level in the pan when filled with 6 quarts? I'm thinking it is above the baffles in the sump. I was trying to question whether the tray would get to the oil level.
Good question: I'll have to dump 6 qts of something into the pan and see where the level comes up to. It's a factory 6-qt design, so I'd ASSuME that much oil would be below the original baffles in the sump... but I'll check to be sure.
A 6qt pan would have 5, plus whatever wasn't in the full size filter, in the sump.
Not true, the Mopar Hemi/440-6pak oil pan held 6 quarts in the pan plus one in the filter  You could put 5 quarts in the early street Hemi pans also, some put 6 quarts in them after checking how much they would hold in the pan safely on the bench   
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Re: MoPig oil system --> Preview of coming attractions 8^P
[Re: BradH]
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 from waaaay back (2012  ). The old combination was spinning 6600-6800, depending on track / air quality / MPH, but I'm expecting the new one to bump up the MPH enough that it may be seeing 7K+. I'm interested in whether people think the oil system mods outlined above (description & pics attached) should be acceptable for 7000-7200 RPM on the big end. Still considering an Accusump as a possibility, too. Thanks!
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Re: MoPig oil system --> Preview of coming attractions 8^P
[Re: BradH]
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... How high is the oil level in the pan when filled with 6 quarts? I'm thinking it is above the baffles in the sump. I was trying to question whether the tray would get to the oil level. Good question: I'll have to dump 6 qts of something into the pan and see where the level comes up to. It's a factory 6-qt design, so I'd ASSume that much oil woiuld be below the original baffles in the sump... but I'll check to be sure. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scope.gif" alt="" /> Actually, I did this check and never posted on it. Putting 6 qts in the empty pan resulted in the oil level being ABOVE the factory baffle level by a good bit. However, some amount would be left circulating in the engine after starting it, plus if a 7th quart would really captured in the filter, then I'd expect it should drop down at least close to the baffle level. The plan is to run it w/ 6 + 1 in the filter at this point.
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Re: MoPig oil system --> Preview of coming attractions 8^P
[Re: Von]
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What pump are you going to use? The ubiquitous Melling 63HV, although it's going to need some casting cleanup to the passages. "Out of the box" they're pretty crusty these days and will require some grinding time before it gets installed.
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