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Clutch Bellhousing Question?????
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After finding out the dissapointing news that Centerforce does not make an 18 spline 10-1/2" clutch for my 440 Cuda, I started looking at other options. #1 I could use an aftermarket bellhousing that would accomadate and 11 " clutch with a 143 tooth flywheel but I really don't want to do that. However, if I used a bellhousing off a B body that would accomadate the 11" setup, I think that would solve my problem BUT I am unsure of linkage compatability. Anyone ever done this?????
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Re: Clutch Bellhousing Question?????
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Call Hyatt Racing Services. 440-254-1311
Tim could probably help you with a disc.
Go to the UMTR website and find answers to 4 spd related questions.
umtrdragrace.com
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Re: Clutch Bellhousing Question?????
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Centerforce has the 10.95" clutch that fits your application. The DualFriction DF175810 fits the 130 tooth flywheel and 18 spline input.
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.
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Re: Clutch Bellhousing Question?????
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Centerforce has the 10.95" clutch that fits your application. The DualFriction DF175810 fits the 130 tooth flywheel and 18 spline input.
Has been on back-order for over 1 year. I doubt that they will make any more 18 spline clutches from what I hear.
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Re: Clutch Bellhousing Question?????
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I talked to Centerforce yesterday and he was not hopeful they would make it. SO, back to the question on the bellhousing, if I put on a B body bellhousing that would accomadate the 11" clutch, would it work in an E body???
Thanks for the Brewers link, I will look into that. Part of the problem is that I have a Centerforce 2 in a 64 Fury and really like it, I am replacing a Borg and Beck style in the Cuda and would like similar results from a replacement as the Centerforce. Any one ever run the clutch thats listed above from Brewers??
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I talked to Centerforce yesterday and he was not hopeful they would make it. SO, back to the question on the bellhousing, if I put on a B body bellhousing that would accomadate the 11" clutch, would it work in an E body???
Why not just get a different clutch?
Or you can just buy the CF 23 spline 10.95 clutch and then get an 18spline dual friction disc from a different maker. I ran a CF pressure plate with a different makers dual friction disc with no issue that I could tell.
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Had thought of that, I can't imagine the disc would know or care what it was sandwiched beetween as long as the thickness of the disc and material was similar. But the clutch is a long ways in there to have issues to resolve.
What disc did you use??
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I talked to Centerforce yesterday and he was not hopeful they would make it. SO, back to the question on the bellhousing, if I put on a B body bellhousing that would accomadate the 11" clutch, would it work in an E body???
Why not just get a different clutch?
Or you can just buy the CF 23 spline 10.95 clutch and then get an 18spline dual friction disc from a different maker. I ran a CF pressure plate with a different makers dual friction disc with no issue that I could tell.
Centerforce does not make a 10.95" 23 spline clutch. It's 10.5 or 11. I'm not aware of anyone who makes a true 10.5" 18 spline clutch disc anymore. They were never used from ma mopar. 
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Re: Clutch Bellhousing Question?????
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I talked to Centerforce yesterday and he was not hopeful they would make it. SO, back to the question on the bellhousing, if I put on a B body bellhousing that would accomadate the 11" clutch, would it work in an E body???
Why not just get a different clutch?
Or you can just buy the CF 23 spline 10.95 clutch and then get an 18spline dual friction disc from a different maker. I ran a CF pressure plate with a different makers dual friction disc with no issue that I could tell.
Centerforce does not make a 10.95" 23 spline clutch. It's 10.5 or 11. I'm not aware of anyone who makes a true 10.5" 18 spline clutch disc anymore. They were never used from ma mopar.
I have one so they must have made one at some point in time, not sure if it is a 10.95 or a 10.5 I'll have to dig out the disc and measure it.
OP , I got the disc I have from a local clutch shop , it looked almost idential to the CF disc I brough in just had the different spline count , the shop wanted to buy the 18 spline disc from me but I passed on that. This was sometime ago , 1999ish .
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I talked with a guy at Passon Performance, he has the larger B body bellhousings and said they would work for my car. At this point I am going to go with the 11" Centerforce and flywheel and the larger bellhousing. With all new linkage it should be sweet.
Anyone ever used the Passon overdrive kit for the A833, they spread the ratios out a little more to give it a .8 to 1 4th gear although 1st gear is the same as stock.
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You can use the 11" bell housing in the E body, but you will have to use the small block z-bar and adjuster rod. This would also move the starter out and can cause more problems with headers etc. Like mentioned above, McLeod diap clutch is similar design to the Centerforce and a much better piece. Pedal effort would be comparable. Dan
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Re: Clutch Bellhousing Question?????
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I'm not aware of anyone who makes a true 10.5" 18 spline clutch disc anymore. They were never used from ma mopar.
Right out of current MP Catalog. P4529138 Clutch Disc, 10-1/2", 18-Spline, Dodge and Plymouth V8
They were used on Hemi and big block A&E bodies with a 130 tooth flywheel. B bodies used the 11" with a 143 tooth flywheel. You have to have the proper bellhousing for each size clutch so the starter will work.
Starting with the 1970 model year everything with a big block used the 130 tooth flywheel, the hemi and the big blocks used the same bellhousing. If you want to spend the extra money and buy a new bellhousing and flywheel, among the other parts Wayne mentioned, to use a clutch with a gimmick that is your prerogative.
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FWIW, ALL Centerforce 18 spline clutches are on back order and have been for along time. You might get lucky and find one on the shelf but I have been told they are no longer going to make the 18 spline hub.
Brewers Performance Inc. 4-speed transmission and parts specialists PH 937-947-4416 or 937-698-4259 FAX 937-947-4419 www.brewersperformance.com
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FWIW, ALL Centerforce 18 spline clutches are on back order and have been for along time. You might get lucky and find one on the shelf but I have been told they are no longer going to make the 18 spline hub.
Wayne, if someone HAD to have a CF clutch how hard would it be to buy the 23 spline and have a local clutch rebuilder change the center ?
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FWIW, ALL Centerforce 18 spline clutches are on back order and have been for along time. You might get lucky and find one on the shelf but I have been told they are no longer going to make the 18 spline hub.
Wayne, if someone HAD to have a CF clutch how hard would it be to buy the 23 spline and have a local clutch rebuilder change the center ?
My local shop can't get the 18 spline hubs anymore. Others might be able. McLeod charges $75 to change the hub from 23 to 18.
Brewers Performance Inc. 4-speed transmission and parts specialists PH 937-947-4416 or 937-698-4259 FAX 937-947-4419 www.brewersperformance.com
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FWIW, ALL Centerforce 18 spline clutches are on back order and have been for along time. You might get lucky and find one on the shelf but I have been told they are no longer going to make the 18 spline hub.
Wayne, if someone HAD to have a CF clutch how hard would it be to buy the 23 spline and have a local clutch rebuilder change the center ?
My local shop can't get the 18 spline hubs anymore. Others might be able. McLeod charges $75 to change the hub from 23 to 18.
Ok but it can be done , I have a couple of 18 spline discs , one is a brandy new 10.5 borg warner I bought a couple decades ago still in the box and the other is used CF I bought as an assembly and I bought a dual friction 23 spline disc from a local rebuilder and ran it for a short time before I blew up the engine in my Bee .
I'm pretty sure I have another new 18 spline some where from Mc Leod too ...
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