Re: Challenger SE trim questions
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M21 Roof Rail Trim M31 Beltline Trim A63 does not include rocker trim...
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Re: Challenger SE trim questions
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I have a few friends with cars that have the code but I can't say all plants coded it, that would be a question for one of the true tag gurus... I know a little but I like to think I still have a life..
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Re: Challenger SE trim questions
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Awesome. Another question- Would A63 appear on the fender tag?
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I (believe) my California car has A63 on the fendertag. Im not looking at it, but Im 90% sure it does.
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Re: Challenger SE trim questions
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Awesome. Another question- Would A63 appear on the fender tag?
A reliable source answered that question for me once. Unfortunately, I don't recall the exact answer right now. I have the info saved somewhere... I believe he said that A63 only appears on some tags. It may not be on the SE cars tags because it was part of the SE package, meaning that A63 was for the Non-SE cars that wanted the SE trim.
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Re: Challenger SE trim questions
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OK, after seeing the other thread with a similar question, I dug through my notes and looked up the answer. Here you go...
A63 consists of... M31 - Body Belt Mouldings - top of 1/4s, doors, fenders, and hood no-code - Front Stone Shield Moulding no-code - Rear/Tail Panel Astrotone Moulding
A car with A63 will have A63 & M31 on the fender tag.
These pieces that made up the A63 molding group were all standard on a SE, and for that reason, A63 was not available on the SE cars. An SE car will have M31 on the fender tag, but Not A63.
A63 was a way to order these parts on a non-SE car.
M21 drip rail moldings will be coded on all the hardtop challengers.
M26 wheel lip moldings will be on the broadcast, but not on the fender tag on all the challengers except T/A and A66.
M05 door edge protectors & M25 rocker moldings were each available seperately from everything else.
M42 front stone shield molding & M44 hood rear and fender moldings are codes that were not used for Challengers. These codes are for Chargers and other cars.
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Re: Challenger SE trim questions
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And a Western Sport Special will have A63 as an automatic add.. Along with the woodgrained dash & a rimblow wheel... Plus a few other options I'm not remembering off the top of my head..
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Re: Challenger SE trim questions
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M42 front stone shield molding & M44 hood rear and fender moldings are codes that were not used for Challengers. These codes are for Chargers and other cars.
Are you saying these aren't on Challengers? I have both of these codes on my 71 Challenger RT A78 car. Mine is a 2 fender tag car JS23H1B
and my tags are: M31, M42, M44, M91, N41, CTD, J25, J41, J45, J54, M21, C26, C55, G11, G31, G33, H51, V1W, U, A46, A78, B51, C16, 999, H6X9, 000, 413, K45021, E55, D32, Y39, 26, EN2, N42, N85, P31, R36, V6W
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Re: Challenger SE trim questions
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Actually I will never know, could not find a build sheet, I bought the car from a non mopar guy and I guess it had some pretty serious rot, so he(or the person he got the car from)was replacing sheet metal on it from a 70 challenger and was painting it panther pink and almost like he wanted a TA car...He had a 1:18 scale model of a pink TA Challenger in his garage and I think that was his goal...anyway, someone tried to steel it from him and it was missing a tie rod or something at the time, so they didnt get far with it and left it smashed into the trees a block down the road...And so when I bought it I tried to decipher an original color, and after studying it we think it was GoMango Orange, so thats what we went with...Maybe someday we will run into someone who knows more about it, I have tried to do some research, but havent had much luck...I know it was owned by a gentleman in the 80's in or near the Brevard or Melbourne, FL area...I was told it had been painted a couple times and once was a burgundyish color with a black vinyle top...
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Re: Challenger SE trim questions
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M42 & M44 are not used on any of the SE broadcast sheets I have. Unfortunately, I don't seem to have any A63 broadcast sheets or A46 broadcast sheets. Can someone out there check those (or upload here so we can see)? I expect that the codes won't be on any A63 sheets, but will be on all A46 sheets, even though both splash pan scoop & rear hood moldings are the same 70-71. I've also found that M42 IS used on 72 Challenger broadcast and fender tags, but it's not the same molding as the 71 version. Interestingly, M42 doesn't seem to be used on the 73-74 challengers, even though they used the same molding as 72. M44 doesn't seem to be used on any 72-74 Challenger. hmmm Tav
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Re: Challenger SE trim questions
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... but I guess that was M28 correct?
M28 is wide hood trim
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Was there ever a duplicate code for the wide front trim?
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Re: Challenger SE trim questions
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Yes, M42 is the front valance molding, somtimes reffered to as stone shield molding or front splash pan scoop molding. The M42 code seems to only be used on 1971 A46 molding package challengers, & also on the 1972 challengers. The part itself is different between 1971 & 1972. The 1971 version is also used uncoded on 1970 SE & 1970 A63 cars. The 1972 version is also used uncoded on 1973 & 1974 cars.
Yes, M44 is the back edge of the hood & fenders on 1971 A46 molding package challengers. These same parts are used on the 1970 SE & 1970 A63 cars, but on those cars they are considered as part of the M31 belt molding as the M44 code was not used. So, 1970 M31 is hood, fenders, doors & quarters, while 1971 M31 is only doors & quarters. Convertibles will use a different piece on the quarters than the hardtops do. The rear belt molding around the convertible top well is on all convertibles and is not part of the M31 package. The vinyl roof / V02 paint belt molding is also not part of the M31 package. 1971 M28 front hood molding is not belt molding and is also not part of the M31 package. I think the M44 rear hood molding is the same piece that's used on the chargers and is interchangeable, but I'm not sure about the fender pieces.
Strangely enough, there IS a local F8 green 1970 440 4 barrel Challenger R/T with hood and fender molding, but without door & quarter molding. Very Odd! The car sold new right here in town and has only changed hands a couple times. The owner has the broadcast sheet, and I've been dying to have another look at it since I noticed the strange trim.
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