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cracked keisler BH #985126 05/02/11 10:05 PM 05/02/11 10:05 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 142 Maryland S Sick 660r OP member
Sick 660r OP member S Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 142 Maryland	I bought a trans kit from keisler and the bellhousing cracked on me. There was not preload on the trans and the bolt did not bottom out in the weld. I can add this to the LONG list of problems I've had with them. Anyone who plans to buy form shefi or keisler please take caution. They only made a few t56 swap kits for the dakota crowd and there are a few not happy with the product. Can anyone recommend a top notch shop in Baltimore/Annapolis MD that could fix this for me? Last edited by Sick 660r; 05/02/11 10:23 PM.

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: Sick 660r] #985127 05/02/11 10:39 PM 05/02/11 10:39 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 791 Bama Randy.. super stock
Randy.. super stock Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 791 Bama

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: Randy..] #985128 05/02/11 10:56 PM 05/02/11 10:56 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,130 Dayton, Ohio W wldtm super stock
wldtm super stock W Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,130 Dayton, Ohio	no but i could trade you a tko and the bh for a dakota straight up. its a keisler kit as well. Interested in having you car wired? Drag car, street car, EFI swap? PM for details

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: wldtm] #985129 05/02/11 11:09 PM 05/02/11 11:09 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 142 Maryland S Sick 660r OP member
Sick 660r OP member S Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 142 Maryland	good try lol 2000 dakota 418 magnum paxton novi 2k T56

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: Sick 660r] #985130 05/02/11 11:12 PM 05/02/11 11:12 PM
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wldtm super stock W Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,130 Dayton, Ohio	I know you wont want to hear this. But call and see if Richard is still at Keisler. I bet they would take care of it, and I would think shipping would be consumed as well. You got any pictures of how the whole BH is designed? Interested in having you car wired? Drag car, street car, EFI swap? PM for details

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: wldtm] #985131 05/02/11 11:28 PM 05/02/11 11:28 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 142 Maryland S Sick 660r OP member
Sick 660r OP member S Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 142 Maryland	I dont want to deal with keisler. Last time I sent shafi an email it was about my slave cylinder that took a dump with less than 2k miles and he ignored it. here are some other pics 2000 dakota 418 magnum paxton novi 2k T56

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: Sick 660r] #985132 05/02/11 11:36 PM 05/02/11 11:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,030 Wisconsin A Aero426 I Live Here
Aero426 I Live Here A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,030 Wisconsin	Quote: Last time I sent shafi an email it was about my slave cylinder that took a dump with less than 2k miles and he ignored it. How do you know he got it? An email is not the same as calling them in person.

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: Aero426] #985133 05/02/11 11:44 PM 05/02/11 11:44 PM
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Sick 660r OP member S Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 142 Maryland	because we used the same eamil address not too long before. Shafi and I are not on good terms to say the least. When you have forgotten more issues then you remember, you dont want to do business with the company anymore. If they cant build it right the first time there is no way im sending it back to them to fix it. 2000 dakota 418 magnum paxton novi 2k T56

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: wldtm] #985134 05/04/11 01:56 PM 05/04/11 01:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 227 Tennessee rj8806 enthusiast
rj8806 enthusiast Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 227 Tennessee	Quote: I know you wont want to hear this. But call and see if Richard is still at Keisler. I bet they would take care of it, and I would think shipping would be consumed as well. You got any pictures of how the whole BH is designed? I appreciate the kind words, but I am no longer at Keisler. I am now working for American Powertrain (www.americanpowertrain.com ). I am still on here though trying to help out when I can. In this case, the good news is it looks like it's not the bell housing and just the weld where they attached the adapter plate to the stock Mopar bell housing. I would imagine any competent machine shop could finish breaking the weld, remove the plate and then re-weld it back in place...? Richard

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: rj8806] #985135 05/04/11 03:19 PM 05/04/11 03:19 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 142 Maryland S Sick 660r OP member
Sick 660r OP member S Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 142 Maryland	Quote: Quote: I know you wont want to hear this. But call and see if Richard is still at Keisler. I bet they would take care of it, and I would think shipping would be consumed as well. You got any pictures of how the whole BH is designed? I appreciate the kind words, but I am no longer at Keisler. I am now working for American Powertrain (www.americanpowertrain.com ). I am still on here though trying to help out when I can. In this case, the good news is it looks like it's not the bell housing and just the weld where they attached the adapter plate to the stock Mopar bell housing. I would imagine any competent machine shop could finish breaking the weld, remove the plate and then re-weld it back in place...? Richard I took it to a shop and had the guy grind and weld a small seciton for me. I liked his work so he is going to grind all the welds out and weld the inside and outside. I sent Keisler an email explaining the situation and that I want to be reimbursed. I know it wont happen but its worth a shot. 2000 dakota 418 magnum paxton novi 2k T56

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: rj8806] #985136 05/04/11 03:22 PM 05/04/11 03:22 PM
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sasquatch master Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,644 North Carolina	Try Dave Brown at McCarters welding. He is a mopar racer as well. 443-995-0399. I believe he is in the Edgewater area. Todd www.mopartsracing.com

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: Sick 660r] #985137 05/04/11 03:29 PM 05/04/11 03:29 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,164 Mesa, Arizona D dart4forte I Live Here
dart4forte I Live Here D Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,164 Mesa, Arizona	Amazon.com has a bad vendor listing

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: dart4forte] #985138 05/04/11 07:34 PM 05/04/11 07:34 PM
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23T Hemmee mopar Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 588 Franklin, TN	That looks like a combination of lack of, or not enough preheat. The billet plate is quite a bit thicker than the cast housing and most of the real penetration appears to be on the cast side which is why the crack is closer to the plate side. Welding two unlike hardnesses of aluminum can be tricky without the right filler rod, the plate is more than likely 6061 or 7075, while the housing is no telling what kind of material, probably 2024. Sounds like your welder knows what he's doing though, and can hopefully salvage the piece for you. Ronny 6.789 @ 198.63 .956 Brand New 60'* 4.17@ 169 1/8th mile John 14:6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUku_hjYRh8

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: Sick 660r] #985139 05/04/11 08:49 PM 05/04/11 08:49 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND fishy340 master
fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	ati in baltimore might try and help u,there pretty good with customer service!

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: Sick 660r] #985140 05/04/11 10:02 PM 05/04/11 10:02 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Thats just bad prep and welding... that should have all been V ground and a ton of pre heating... thats 2 BIG heat sinks..... any decent welding shop can fix that for you

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: MR_P_BODY] #985141 05/04/11 10:49 PM 05/04/11 10:49 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	Cast to billit is difficult to weld,porus to dense materials,too much heat can be just as bad as not enough.Too much heat will cause expansion and shrinkage causing the weld or weaker material to crack and not enough heat will cause less penatration into the more dense of the two materials. Last edited by B G Racing; 05/04/11 10:50 PM. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: B G Racing] #985142 05/04/11 11:01 PM 05/04/11 11:01 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Cast to billit is difficult to weld,porus to dense materials,too much heat can be just as bad as not enough.Too much heat will cause expansion and shrinkage causing the weld or weaker material to crack and not enough heat will cause less penatration into the more dense of the two materials. I've welded a few BH Bob... I use indirect pre heat

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: MR_P_BODY] #985143 05/04/11 11:25 PM 05/04/11 11:25 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	I agree it can be done Mike and we have done it quite a bit also,controlling the heat is important for a strong weld.Monitoring the heat and zone welding is the key.Welding a cast belhousing is not an issue,welding a dense aluminium plate to the cast bellhousing takes a lot more preperation and controled welding. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: Sick 660r] #985144 05/05/11 10:45 AM 05/05/11 10:45 AM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 227 Tennessee rj8806 enthusiast
rj8806 enthusiast Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 227 Tennessee	Good luck. I hope they get it fixed. As for getting reimbursed, I wish you a lot of luck. You can try calling and talking to Keith at Keisler. When I left, I believe he took over the customer service/tech support. He is a great guy and a friend and will do what he can to help you out. His hands are going to be tied and of course and any credits issued will have to go by Shafi's desk but it's worth a shot. Not sure if they are doing it differently now, but when I was there, they used an outside machine shop to make those plates and have them attached to the bell housings. Keisler does employ a great welder, his name is Fred. He does really good work but I'm not sure if he welded that bell or if they still use that outside shop. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you. Richard

Re: cracked keisler BH [Re: rj8806] #985145 05/05/11 05:26 PM 05/05/11 05:26 PM
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Keith Black® pro stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,212 QLD Australia	I decided to go the Quicktime route for my T56. Top quality part. -------------------------------- Darren Beale Keith Black Racing Engines®

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