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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: Challenger 1]
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04/22/11 10:01 AM
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I love Chrome Moly cages so I don't want to mislead you. But, last I checked there is no 1.75" .083 chrome moly. If you are doing a roll bar 6 point 1.75 is what you use for NHRA spec. Full roll cage go with CM and save 100 lbs.
$2,200 is insane for a 6 point. I do them for about 25% of that.
Someone had a pic of there deal. It looks nice other than the rear upper hoop support bars cannot make the angle requirements when they are welded in front of the shock mount like shown in the picture. The whole reason for these bars is to keep from pulling the cage behind you in the event of a frontal collision.
What the cage is attached to #1
Like BG said the placement of the bars #2
The fit of the tubing joints #3
The weld #4
The welds are extremely important but the other items are even more important. IMO
Leon
Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: Challenger 1]
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04/22/11 10:06 AM
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I took mine to a chassis shop. I asked if I could be part of the process so I could learn and they said sure. The car was down there forever because I was only able to go down on weekends, but it was a great experience for me.
Better get inside Ma. Looks like a storm's comin'.
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: Paul_CSM]
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04/22/11 12:17 PM
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Greg - not really sure if i care that you think i am arrogant or not.
All i am trying to say is that welding is a very specialized process and needs to done correctly , especially when dealing with safety items.
I am sorry that a safe race car takes the fun out of it for you. I feel only people with proper training and experience are qualified , not everybody that buys a welder.
I was simply stating my opinion based on a lifes worth of manufacturing experience.
I thought about it and i don't care if you think i am arrogant.
\Just what I thought you would say to a T.
First off, I did not call YOU arrogant. I said the thinking was arrogant. Big difference, as I accept that ALL of us are guilty at one point or another of the most common of human problems. So take it as I totally disagree on this one item (welding).
My car is very safe and in the same shape as new after thirty one years of abuse including some violent bumper dragging wheelstands, getting sideways at speed three times, and a lot of fast passes. There is a reason it is heavier than most. My components were chosen for the purpose of extreme long life. The only thing I did NOT do is the paint and interior. That includes my own front suspension. Yet you think that no one but a pro can guarantee it is welded properly.
People with your current philosophy often aim to govern well. Problem is THEY AIM TO GOVERN usually out of arrogant thinking or self serving desires. The easiest thing in the world is to cover up a bad motive with a good one, and in this case I doubt you realize you are doing it!
The constitution was specifically written to guard against people that think like like that. Problem is, the battle never ends. A written law is never sufficient to stop those that wish to restrict the rest of us. This is a minor deal. But the infection grows till it gets way out of hand. Just look around the world. It all starts with someone thinking they need to take control of something.
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: B G Racing]
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04/22/11 02:01 PM
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Back in Feb 2008 I had a 10 point chrome moly TIG welded custom cage installed for $1800.00. Has the price inflated THAT much in 4 years? And only for a 6 point?
I'd shop around a little more. 
Have you priced aircraft quality CM tube lately? 
No I have not checked the $ lately.
But I have noticed the prices on food are going up steadily...the Beaver Springs chicken with the special marinade is gonna cost a fortune this year LOL 
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: actionange]
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04/22/11 07:53 PM
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Back in Feb 2008 I had a 10 point chrome moly TIG welded custom cage installed for $1800.00. Has the price inflated THAT much in 4 years? And only for a 6 point?
I'd shop around a little more.
Have you priced aircraft quality CM tube lately?
No I have not checked the $ lately.
But I have noticed the prices on food are going up steadily...the Beaver Springs chicken with the special marinade is gonna cost a fortune this year LOL
 Are the steaks still free?That chicken was the best  
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: gregsdart]
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04/23/11 03:07 AM
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Greg - not really sure if i care that you think i am arrogant or not.
All i am trying to say is that welding is a very specialized process and needs to done correctly , especially when dealing with safety items.
I am sorry that a safe race car takes the fun out of it for you. I feel only people with proper training and experience are qualified , not everybody that buys a welder.
I was simply stating my opinion based on a lifes worth of manufacturing experience.
I thought about it and i don't care if you think i am arrogant.
\Just what I thought you would say to a T.
First off, I did not call YOU arrogant. I said the thinking was arrogant. Big difference, as I accept that ALL of us are guilty at one point or another of the most common of human problems. So take it as I totally disagree on this one item (welding).
My car is very safe and in the same shape as new after thirty one years of abuse including some violent bumper dragging wheelstands, getting sideways at speed three times, and a lot of fast passes. There is a reason it is heavier than most. My components were chosen for the purpose of extreme long life. The only thing I did NOT do is the paint and interior. That includes my own front suspension. Yet you think that no one but a pro can guarantee it is welded properly.
People with your current philosophy often aim to govern well. Problem is THEY AIM TO GOVERN usually out of arrogant thinking or self serving desires. The easiest thing in the world is to cover up a bad motive with a good one, and in this case I doubt you realize you are doing it!
The constitution was specifically written to guard against people that think like like that. Problem is, the battle never ends. A written law is never sufficient to stop those that wish to restrict the rest of us. This is a minor deal. But the infection grows till it gets way out of hand. Just look around the world. It all starts with someone thinking they need to take control of something.
Amen!
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: B G Racing]
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04/23/11 08:45 AM
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Back in Feb 2008 I had a 10 point chrome moly TIG welded custom cage installed for $1800.00. Has the price inflated THAT much in 4 years? And only for a 6 point?
I'd shop around a little more.
Have you priced aircraft quality CM tube lately?
No I have not checked the $ lately.
But I have noticed the prices on food are going up steadily...the Beaver Springs chicken with the special marinade is gonna cost a fortune this year LOL
Are the steaks still free?That chicken was the best
Tube steaks are buy one get one free...
Flank steak- well thats gonna cost ya... 
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: actionange]
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04/24/11 10:49 AM
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Back in Feb 2008 I had a 10 point chrome moly TIG welded custom cage installed for $1800.00. Has the price inflated THAT much in 4 years? And only for a 6 point?
I'd shop around a little more.
Have you priced aircraft quality CM tube lately?
No I have not checked the $ lately.
But I have noticed the prices on food are going up steadily...the Beaver Springs chicken with the special marinade is gonna cost a fortune this year LOL
Are the steaks still free?That chicken was the best
Tube steaks are buy one get one free...
Flank steak- well thats gonna cost ya...
Sure there you go offering my expert cooking services. That's gonna cost you!!!!! 
George the Steak and Chicken plus marinages will be supplied and it will be an honor. Don't listen to Ange he's getting greedy in his old age.
Well see all of the guys at the Beaver this year and really am looking forward to it.
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: joeybbo]
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04/24/11 02:49 PM
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Back in Feb 2008 I had a 10 point chrome moly TIG welded custom cage installed for $1800.00. Has the price inflated THAT much in 4 years? And only for a 6 point?
I'd shop around a little more.
Have you priced aircraft quality CM tube lately?
No I have not checked the $ lately.
But I have noticed the prices on food are going up steadily...the Beaver Springs chicken with the special marinade is gonna cost a fortune this year LOL
Are the steaks still free?That chicken was the best
Tube steaks are buy one get one free...
Flank steak- well thats gonna cost ya...
Sure there you go offering my expert cooking services. That's gonna cost you!!!!!
George the Steak and Chicken plus marinages will be supplied and it will be an honor. Don't listen to Ange he's getting greedy in his old age.
Well see all of the guys at the Beaver this year and really am looking forward to it.
Joey,"You Da Man" and Ange is a "Popie Head".We shared with Ange and everyone a lot of great food last year,those boys from down south brought some tasty stuff but nothing beat your chicken and steak.Ange is starting to sound like his long lost buddy.  Looking forward to BS this year.
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: B G Racing]
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04/25/11 09:20 PM
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Back in Feb 2008 I had a 10 point chrome moly TIG welded custom cage installed for $1800.00. Has the price inflated THAT much in 4 years? And only for a 6 point?
I'd shop around a little more.
Have you priced aircraft quality CM tube lately?
No I have not checked the $ lately.
But I have noticed the prices on food are going up steadily...the Beaver Springs chicken with the special marinade is gonna cost a fortune this year LOL
Are the steaks still free?That chicken was the best
Tube steaks are buy one get one free...
Flank steak- well thats gonna cost ya...
Sure there you go offering my expert cooking services. That's gonna cost you!!!!!
George the Steak and Chicken plus marinages will be supplied and it will be an honor. Don't listen to Ange he's getting greedy in his old age.
Well see all of the guys at the Beaver this year and really am looking forward to it.
Joey,"You Da Man" and Ange is a "Popie Head".We shared with Ange and everyone a lot of great food last year,those boys from down south brought some tasty stuff but nothing beat your chicken and steak.Ange is starting to sound like his long lost buddy. Looking forward to BS this year.
I am NOT a "POOPIE HEAD" and all the cost would be is a fine Bob George Racing T shirt. Jees Louise!
And who would my "long lost buddy" happen to be?
(Joey is gonna pay for all the diesel fuel for the trip back and forth just for being a wiseguy- LOL) 
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: Leon441]
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04/27/11 01:18 PM
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Thanks all for your answers. I did find someone close to me who said he can do it for around $650!
I am bringing the car by this Saturday for next week. Awesome!
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: Paul_CSM]
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04/27/11 08:16 PM
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Does the $100.00 a point include material?
No that's just for labor.
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Re: Help With Roll Bar Install Self Do'ers please chime in
[Re: actionange]
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04/28/11 06:35 PM
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Back in Feb 2008 I had a 10 point chrome moly TIG welded custom cage installed for $1800.00. Has the price inflated THAT much in 4 years? And only for a 6 point?
I'd shop around a little more.
Have you priced aircraft quality CM tube lately?
No I have not checked the $ lately.
But I have noticed the prices on food are going up steadily...the Beaver Springs chicken with the special marinade is gonna cost a fortune this year LOL
Are the steaks still free?That chicken was the best
Tube steaks are buy one get one free...
Flank steak- well thats gonna cost ya...
Sure there you go offering my expert cooking services. That's gonna cost you!!!!!
George the Steak and Chicken plus marinages will be supplied and it will be an honor. Don't listen to Ange he's getting greedy in his old age.
Well see all of the guys at the Beaver this year and really am looking forward to it.
Joey,"You Da Man" and Ange is a "Popie Head".We shared with Ange and everyone a lot of great food last year,those boys from down south brought some tasty stuff but nothing beat your chicken and steak.Ange is starting to sound like his long lost buddy. Looking forward to BS this year.
I am NOT a "POOPIE HEAD" and all the cost would be is a fine Bob George Racing T shirt. Jees Louise!
And who would my "long lost buddy" happen to be?
(Joey is gonna pay for all the diesel fuel for the trip back and forth just for being a wiseguy- LOL)
If I'm paying for the diesel fuel then I'm racing the car. We can reverse roles. You cook and I'll race. 
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