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PS coupler housing free play #96032 07/28/08 01:05 PM 07/28/08 01:05 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	How much free play should there be between the H blocks and the housing? I looked at putting in a rebuild kit but I saw the old H blocks were tore up pretty bad. the new blocks have a slight amount of side to side play. Any idea of a part number for the housing (or where to get one?)

Re: PS coupler housing free play #96033 07/30/08 11:01 AM 07/30/08 11:01 AM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	I guess no one has ever had to buy a new housing? I was looking to replace mine- its all scored up inside

Re: PS coupler housing free play #96034 07/30/08 11:13 AM 07/30/08 11:13 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,125 A Banana Republic near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,125 A Banana Republic near you.	dealer or the junkyard .

Re: PS coupler housing free play [Re: JohnRR] #96035 07/30/08 11:13 AM 07/30/08 11:13 AM
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earlybee master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,064 Arlington, Texas	http://www.texasacres.com/index.html

Re: PS coupler housing free play #96036 07/30/08 12:19 PM 07/30/08 12:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,836 Detroit boy in Saugerties, NY BrianShaughnessy master
BrianShaughnessy master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,836 Detroit boy in Saugerties, NY	Bouchillon sells new repros. Not cheap. 4585750-plunge.JPG (78 downloads) Black Betty: '69 Charger RT: 440 6 pack, TKO600 5 speed, 3.73 Dana. Sinnamon: '69 Charger RT: 440, 727, 4.30 8.75. High School Sweetheart. El Grande: '98 Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited.

Re: PS coupler housing free play [Re: BrianShaughnessy] #96037 07/30/08 12:38 PM 07/30/08 12:38 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	Quote: Bouchillon sells new repros. Not cheap. ya, I just found those while searching around. they want $112 I ended up getting a used one from firm feel. $25! (i hope it is good!)

Re: PS coupler housing free play #96038 07/30/08 12:56 PM 07/30/08 12:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,359 Buzzard County, FL IronWolf pro stock
IronWolf pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,359 Buzzard County, FL	The "H" blocks are spring-tensioned, as you probably already knew. On, E-Bay there are rebuild kits with new "H" blocks". I don't think the coupling housing themselves would wear, but who knows ? Also, I believe "Flaming River" sells couplers (which may require some fitting or cutting), which eleinates the somewhat sloppy stock arrangement. HTH

Re: PS coupler housing free play [Re: IronWolf] #96039 07/30/08 01:23 PM 07/30/08 01:23 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	i have the rebuild kit and thats how I first noticed the problem. when i took the H blocks out, they were all scored and scratched on the thrust side. the housing had similar marks. I dont want to put the new kit into the bad housing cause it will just ruin those blocks too.

Re: PS coupler housing free play [Re: IronWolf] #96040 07/30/08 07:19 PM 07/30/08 07:19 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,516 Santa Cruz, California L Lefty master
Lefty master L Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,516 Santa Cruz, California	Quote: Also, I believe "Flaming River" sells couplers (which may require some fitting or cutting), which eleinates the somewhat sloppy stock arrangement.

Re: PS coupler housing free play [Re: Lefty] #96041 07/30/08 08:07 PM 07/30/08 08:07 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,337 the house on the left. C cogen80 master
cogen80 master C Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,337 the house on the left.	Quote: Quote: Also, I believe "Flaming River" sells couplers (which may require some fitting or cutting), which eleinates the somewhat sloppy stock arrangement. i like that flaming river piece way better then the stock thing.

Re: PS coupler housing free play [Re: cogen80] #96042 07/31/08 07:58 AM 07/31/08 07:58 AM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: Quote: Also, I believe "Flaming River" sells couplers (which may require some fitting or cutting), which eleinates the somewhat sloppy stock arrangement. i like that flaming river piece way better then the stock thing. its almost $200 too. the problem I have with it is that it seems to remove the slidein action between the coulmn and the box. so theres no way to handle changes in the distance between the box and the column caused by the body flexing because of bumps or just because of alignment issues. I think that could eventually take its toll on the steering shaft or the PS gear box

Re: PS coupler housing free play [Re: cogen80] #96043 07/31/08 09:37 AM 07/31/08 09:37 AM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,968 North Riverside IL & Lowell IN GTXKen super gas
GTXKen super gas Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,968 North Riverside IL & Lowell IN	Quote: Quote: Quote: Also, I believe "Flaming River" sells couplers (which may require some fitting or cutting), which eleinates the somewhat sloppy stock arrangement. i like that flaming river piece way better then the stock thing. I really like that piece as well and would like to swap mine out but it dosen't look like they have one for an original manual steering car.

Re: PS coupler housing free play #96044 07/31/08 09:39 AM 07/31/08 09:39 AM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,968 North Riverside IL & Lowell IN GTXKen super gas
GTXKen super gas Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,968 North Riverside IL & Lowell IN	Quote: the problem I have with it is that it seems to remove the slidein action between the coulmn and the box. so theres no way to handle changes in the distance between the box and the column caused by the body flexing because of bumps or just because of alignment issues. I think that could eventually take its toll on the steering shaft or the PS gear box I would think that if you have added torque boxes or frame connectors you have eliminated the body twist that makes the play in the stock unit necessary Ken

Re: PS coupler housing free play #96045 07/31/08 09:51 AM 07/31/08 09:51 AM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	The flaming river piece looks like it mounts solid on both ends, leaving no free area to allow for firewall flex etc. Sooner or later may cause a problem with probably steering column. If the columns had rag joints I would not think about it.

Re: PS coupler housing free play [Re: buildanother] #96046 07/31/08 05:17 PM 07/31/08 05:17 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,516 Santa Cruz, California L Lefty master
Lefty master L Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,516 Santa Cruz, California	Quote: The flaming river piece looks like it mounts solid on both ends, leaving no free area to allow for firewall flex etc. Sooner or later may cause a problem with probably steering column. I disagree; I don't feel any vibrations through the shaft to the steering wheel. If there were lots of movement, the factory hard brake lines from the firewall master cylinder to the frame mounted dist block would crack.

Re: PS coupler housing free play [Re: Lefty] #96047 08/01/08 12:04 AM 08/01/08 12:04 AM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	those metal brake lines are somewhat flexable (notice the little curly q's on them??) and they are close to the firewall. as you move away, the flexing get larger (moment arm) and that could break those delicate plastic retainers that are in the steering column that allow it to collapse in an accident- maybe

Re: PS coupler housing free play #96048 08/01/08 12:22 AM 08/01/08 12:22 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,291 West Coast, USA jbc426 master
jbc426 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,291 West Coast, USA	Removing the stock coupler and simply adding the Flaming River coupler in your picture is not a complete solution. The two parts do not share all the same functionality. The original part allowed for slight compresion and expansion which adresses the issue you are talking about. The Flaming River part functions exactly as it is intended to, but it was never designed to allow for compression and expansion of the joint. Flaming River does sell components that allow for that functionality, but you are not incorporating them into this swap when you are using just their coupler joint. 1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)

Re: PS coupler housing free play [Re: jbc426] #96049 09/02/08 05:25 PM 09/02/08 05:25 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 515 Dayton, Ohio 6 65cuda mopar addict
65cuda mopar addict 6 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 515 Dayton, Ohio	your right 426 the oem coupler did two things. i talked to the guys at Steer and Gear and they said the pwr str input shaft had to move up and down too and if it didn't the box would work???. so how would any u joint work. i guess i will find out i ordered flaming river one today. maybe it depends which column u have. my 71 a body has a spring built in beside the impact crunch zone too. i have rebuilt those coupler boxes too many times. i think the inside wears out to not just the H blocks. anybody else already done this. how did it work out 65 Cuda 360,3.23 SG-13.97 @99.4, 88 D100, 2000 Kota Qcab, 71 Duster 416 11.84 @110., 73 Imp ,(2)72 & (1)71 Dart Swingers GarysMocars Legendary Dealer

Re: PS coupler housing free play [Re: 65cuda] #96050 09/02/08 06:49 PM 09/02/08 06:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,836 Detroit boy in Saugerties, NY BrianShaughnessy master
BrianShaughnessy master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,836 Detroit boy in Saugerties, NY	Quote: your right 426 the oem coupler did two things. i talked to the guys at Steer and Gear and they said the pwr str input shaft had to move up and down too and if it didn't the box would work???. so how would any u joint work. i guess i will find out i ordered flaming river one today. maybe it depends which column u have. my 71 a body has a spring built in beside the impact crunch zone too. i have rebuilt those coupler boxes too many times. i think the inside wears out to not just the H blocks. anybody else already done this. how did it work out That's my pic of the 3 couplers above. My original was kinda ugly (right). The used one I got was on the left... off a friends '78 parts car. It's the longer style. Probably would have worked anyway. Notice how I drilled it for a zerk before I bothered to check which size it was. Being the natural screw-up I am... I put the dumb thing back together wrong and complained about being loose to myself. I then took it over to E-boogers' and got my rear end chewed out for screwing it up but it's been back together all summer now. No complaints from me. I can grease it regularly now. The latest from Steer and Gear is a long style rubber cap that replaces the orange or black rubber and the lousy tin cap deal that everybody has trouble with. It was $15 at the nats. I haven't put it on yet but I will eventually. I've taken the liberty of copying a piece of the steerandgear chrysler catalog pertaining to the couplers. Quote: Coupler Kits Lower Steering Column Body Kit Containing Old style Boot-Shoes-SpringPins and Shaft Retainer 95.00 Repair Kit Containing Old style Boot-Shoes-Spring Pins and Shaft Retainer 15.00 Coupler Seal Boot NEW and IMPROVED. This all-in-one seal boot replaces the old inner seal and shaft retainer (which disloges easily and leaksgrease) by sliding over your steering coupler body. New Seal Boot Part #111 15.00 Boot Cover with Repair Kit Containing New Seal Boot-Shoes-Springs-Pins Part #112 30.00 Coupler Body and Repair Kit Containing New Seal Boot-Shoes- Spring-PinsContaining Shoes and Spring Part#113 100.00 Black Betty: '69 Charger RT: 440 6 pack, TKO600 5 speed, 3.73 Dana. Sinnamon: '69 Charger RT: 440, 727, 4.30 8.75. High School Sweetheart. El Grande: '98 Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited.

Re: PS coupler housing free play [Re: BrianShaughnessy] #96051 09/02/08 11:54 PM 09/02/08 11:54 PM
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65cuda mopar addict 6 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 515 Dayton, Ohio	i never had any trouble with them being dry. every one i have taken apart was lubed. they just get loose. too much play. i bought that boot thing at a show too. split in half when i tried to put it in. that was 15.00 wasted. the one on my Duster hits my headers when i turn the wheel. i just want something smaller that will last longer. so i have the flaming river one on the way. i will give it a try. if it works i will buy one for my cuda too. somebody must be using them. 65 Cuda 360,3.23 SG-13.97 @99.4, 88 D100, 2000 Kota Qcab, 71 Duster 416 11.84 @110., 73 Imp ,(2)72 & (1)71 Dart Swingers GarysMocars Legendary Dealer

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