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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: RROD] #941382
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This applies to 70 and newer cars
1968-9 cruise control is much different as there is a vacuum throttle release switch vs the electric throttle release switch.

Cruise control was a dealer installed option starting in 1970. Section 8 in the factory service manual.

There were kits to fit the various body styles. I have never seen 69 and back cruise kits but that does not mean they don't exist.

All mopars from 70-80 are wired to accept cruise control. Plug and play. It's not hard to piece together a system and it works well, taking the drudgery out of driving old iron.

There is at least one six pak car with factory type cruise control besides my former six pak car with owner installed factory cruise.

This is correct including the hole in the throttle linkage for the lost motion link pivot pin. One difference from most factory set ups is a pivot pin with a clip retainer was used vs a roll pin as seen on 99% of installations.

I can't remember where this pic was taken. The intake looks like cast iron...

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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: ThermoQuad] #941383
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Didn't Mopar call it "Speed Control"?

Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: m46rat] #941384
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Didn't Mopar call it "Speed Control"?




Yes, it was called "Automatic Speed Control". Before that, they called it "Auto Pilot".

Auto Pilot was approximately 1958-1966.
I'm not sure what it was called in 1967-1968.
Automatic Speed Control was 1969 and on into the 70's.

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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: ThermoQuad] #941385
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Cruise control was a dealer installed option starting in 1970. Section 8 in the factory service manual.

There were kits to fit the various body styles. I have never seen 69 and back cruise kits but that does not mean they don't exist.






Many thanks for the input!

The dealer installed kits are in addition to the factory installed variety coded N88 on the fender tag correct? My factory service manual has speed control in section 1 accessories instead of section 8 electrical.


Here is an Auto Pilot installation kit for all 1965 Chrysler Newport, Saratoga, 300, 300-L, New Yorker, Town & Country, and Imperial, Crown, and Le Baron.

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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: ThermoQuad] #941386
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There is at least one six pak car with factory type cruise control besides my former six pak car with owner installed factory cruise.






Here is mine,... 1970 340 'Cuda, cloned into an AAR, owner installed factory speed control.

difficult to see, but the cruise cable is on top with the throttle cable under it, and the special throttle bracket holding both is at the far right of the picture.

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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: cataclysm80] #941387
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I dug up a servo bracket for a 3rd gen B-body. and I don't see why it would not work in E-body applications .
Considering just how hard cruise parts are to find. It might be an easier / cheaper alternative to the E-body specific parts.

Anyone ever tried?

E-body on the left
71-72 B-body in the middle
68-70 B-body on the right

Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: gtx6970] #941388
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So this is a 68-70 B body bracket? I've always wondered.


Too bad cruise didn't come on 4 speed cars. I've probably got an entire setup for my 70 Roadrunner now that I know what this is for.

Thanks!

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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: cataclysm80] #941389
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How about this one? Anyone know what mopars this goes to?

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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: cataclysm80] #941390
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How about this one? Anyone know what mopars this goes to?

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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: gtx6970] #941391
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I dug up a servo bracket for a 3rd gen B-body. and I don't see why it would not work in E-body applications .
Considering just how hard cruise parts are to find. It might be an easier / cheaper alternative to the E-body specific parts.

Anyone ever tried?




They do look remarkably similar. It looks like two of the holes are in the same spot, while the third hole is relocated for some reason. I think the factory installed cruise used a welded on Nut on the inner fender so that the bolts have something to thread into. Myself, when adding cruise to an E body that didn't originaly come with it, I just drill the holes and use a nylock nut on the bottom side. You don't see it inside the fender unless you're really looking. On an E body, a bolt going through that relocated hole on that 3rd gen B body bracket would hit some inner fender bracing on the other side, and it would be difficult to get a nut on it. You could drill a pretty big hole in the bracing to make room for the bolt & nut, but I think a better suggestion would be to weld up that hole and drill a new one on the bracket in the E body location. Other than that, it looks like it would work fine.

Here's a pic where you can see the underside of the two mounting holes that appear to be in the same location on both brackets.

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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: cataclysm80] #941392
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Here's a pic showing the other hole. It's between the brace and the inner fender. As you can see, it wouldn't work very well to move it closer to the other two holes. As it is, it's a little difficult to get a nut on there. I put the nut on the wrench and hold it in position, and then thread the bolt into it.

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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: cataclysm80] #941393
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I just measured these angles for someone, and thought I'd post this here incase it helps anyone else.

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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: cataclysm80] #941394
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On the 3rd gen B-body bracket, you are correct. The 2 outer holes are in the exact same spot as the E-body bracket.
Also,,,,The E-body bracket is actually maybe 3/4" of an inch longer on the upper plate portion of the bracket. So modifying it for use on an E-body would be super simple, although I personally don't think it's necassary.

When I removed the E-bracket off the car I parted out, I don't remember taking any nuts off from the bottom( several years back so anything is possibile )

The 71-72 B-body bracket was just removed this past week. And it had studs sticking up thru the inner fender with captive washer nuts holding it on. Next time, I'll ck from beneath to see how it attaches

Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: gtx6970] #941395
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thought i would add some to this subject. i took the speed control parts off a 71 or 72 Chrysler(been 27 years)and put it on my 70 Challenger. the speed control bracket bolted in the same spot on inner fender(had to drill out little dimples in panel) bent the lever a little to angle it back,it seemed to be the same length as the standard one. everything just snapped together and worked fine.

Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: cudaman1969] #941396
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There are some cruise control parts in the ebody for sale section.....

Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: cataclysm80] #941397
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How about this one? Anyone know what mopars this goes to?

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I have one like that on my '78 Dodge D150 Pickup but I think it was a dealer add on kit.

Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: NicksGarage] #941398
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Thanks Nick!

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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: cataclysm80] #941399
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Tav, #2 is C-body

Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: dart1962_440] #941400
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Cool, any idea roughly what years of C body?

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Re: Cruise Control on a '70 Challenger [Re: cataclysm80] #941401
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