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Re: Solid Flat Tappet Differences [Re: Quicksilver440] #936236
02/25/11 03:22 PM
02/25/11 03:22 PM
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I save lots of info people post and some I measure myself. Like when I put the Howard's lifters in, I verified in my block the oil band was not near the top/bottom at max/zero lift. But I didn't write down an actual measurement, and getting between the cam and the bottom of the lifter bore, with the lifter in there, can be tough.

I really don't know what effect the large cut out will have on oil flowing from the oil galley around the lifter and out to the valley (clearance between lifter and bore). But there have been oil pressure problems reported with similar barbell lifters.

Re: Solid Flat Tappet Differences [Re: 440Jim] #936237
02/25/11 03:24 PM
02/25/11 03:24 PM
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Quote:

Thanks Mike. I will put that info in my file.




Not only an I jealous of your car but now I am really jealous of your FILE! I have lots of the folders but most of them have nothing in them!

Keep up the good work your input is always valuable!!!


Thanx 451 Guy

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Re: Solid Flat Tappet Differences [Re: Dodgem] #936238
02/25/11 05:20 PM
02/25/11 05:20 PM
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I had about 8 mopar performace lifters do that over 3 ton 4 years! I used to carry spares and spare pushrods for road side fixes.




I have used these lifters with some very aggresive lobes and havent had this happen. They obviously are not as strong as a one piece but should be strong enough. Here are few things that could cause this kind of failure.

1) Wrong pushrod radius, soild lifter pushrod ball tips have the larger 5/16" radius for solid lifters (hydraulic lifter pushrods have a 50% smaller radius).

2) Not enough valve spring open and seat pressures.

3) Excessive valve lash, should never allow more than about .006 larger than the cam manufacturers spec.

Good idea to run pushrods with enough diameter and wall thickness for your cam/ application.


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Re: Solid Flat Tappet Differences [Re: 10 o to go] #936239
02/25/11 07:33 PM
02/25/11 07:33 PM
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We run mopars also they are lighter and been told 5 thousand under size. Comps are heavy .
But I had a mishap last year with one ,nobody has seen this happen .
We believe the lashcap broke and caused too much lash ,or the hole in lifter made too much lash broke lashcap .
witch came 1st chicken or egg.

Pic of it


no lash caps here. ive been there done that more than once.been lucky so far.replace the lifter and pushrod if needed.and carried on.

Re: Solid Flat Tappet Differences/Update [Re: 64hemi330sedan] #936240
03/21/11 10:14 AM
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After talking with Bullet Cams Rep., I returned the "dumbbell" lifters and received a 2 piece design, I hope these are better than the MoPar ones. Look like 94 grams. Anybody had an issue with these? They told me again, all lifters they sell come from HyLift/Johnson...Thanks for all responses.

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Re: Solid Flat Tappet Differences/Update [Re: Cuda_Mike] #936241
03/24/11 11:11 AM
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Anybody use these?

Re: Solid Flat Tappet Differences/Update [Re: Cuda_Mike] #936242
03/25/11 10:15 AM
03/25/11 10:15 AM
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Anybody use these?


I used that style lifter in 440 with a small Ultradyne solid for 10 yrs(probably 50000+ miles) and then my brother used the same cam/lifters for the last 5 years. No problems at all.

Re: Solid Flat Tappet Differences/Update [Re: Cuda_Mike] #936243
03/25/11 12:18 PM
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Anybody use these?


I haven't bought any Bullet/Johnson solid lifters. So I don't know about the metalurgy/heat treatment/machining, etc.

IMO, the design/style is fine. Avoid excessive lash, valve float, incorrect pushrod tip dia, etc so the pushrod seat insert doesn't crack.

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