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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: 540challenger] #934397
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Really LOL.I don't think they run my test cells do they? You said production tune.Maybe you need to do some research.


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: mike s] #934398
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Really LOL.I don't think they run my test cells do they? You said production tune.Maybe you need to do some research.


Maybe you should learn to read i said the last one for the production tune was over 500HP but didn't pass emissions thus the mellow tune. Production is reference to the 6.4L as there is a production verison and a crate form 2 different beast.. Thus the reasoning for having to state production. like i said do your research there buddy. Its clear you haven't been following these great threads on the new hemi if you have doubts ask a questions. You coming out quoting me being plan rude for about somehting you have no clue about just leads to

Sorry guys for derailing this thread i placed him on my ingnore list so i don't cont. with this useless stuff

Also i used the search function i was mistaken

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6304209&Main=6304197

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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: 540challenger] #934399
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Does anyone know of an actual build, 5.7, 6.1 stroker with actual dyno numbers? A list of parts? What will work together? Cams and valve train parts? These engins are capeable of a ton of power, but a guy could spend a lot of money and have a bunch os mismatched parts. I'd like to build one, a stroker, carbureted on pump gas that would make 650-700 hp. It may not be possible though .

Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: mike s] #934400
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What is a Eagle intake




basically the car 09 intake manifold. similar to a 6.1 intake but not aluminum and not as pricey.

guessn around 230$ price range. drag pack intake = 1k$ list




Can this intake be used on an 03-08 production car or truck. I am not talking about physically bolting on, I think I read that the intake was a variable design. Something to do with runner length? Is it compatible with the 03-08 computer.Matt




The production SRV intakes are not compatible with earlier 5.7L or even 6.1L engines.




I have 09 heads bolting on to an 04 short block. I plan on using an 09 eagle intake with aftermarket EFI to run the system.

If you look at lxforums.com they have good info on the 09 eagle intake swap on to older engines. Adapters are avaiable for this swap it appears.

I think the gain comes from the combination of cam, heads, intake package. Not just one of the three.

On an 09 LC (challenger intake) i see no tuning valve listed in description and operation on dealerconnect. If needed I will take the intake off to find out.

justin


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: wldtm] #934401
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What is a Eagle intake




basically the car 09 intake manifold. similar to a 6.1 intake but not aluminum and not as pricey.

guessn around 230$ price range. drag pack intake = 1k$ list




Can this intake be used on an 03-08 production car or truck. I am not talking about physically bolting on, I think I read that the intake was a variable design. Something to do with runner length? Is it compatible with the 03-08 computer.Matt




The production SRV intakes are not compatible with earlier 5.7L or even 6.1L engines.




I have 09 heads bolting on to an 04 short block. I plan on using an 09 eagle intake with aftermarket EFI to run the system.

If you look at lxforums.com they have good info on the 09 eagle intake swap on to older engines. Adapters are avaiable for this swap it appears.

I think the gain comes from the combination of cam, heads, intake package. Not just one of the three.

On an 09 LC (challenger intake) i see no tuning valve listed in description and operation on dealerconnect. If needed I will take the intake off to find out.

justin




Thanks Justin this is the info we need. I glad you understood my question. Matt

Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934402
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is that intake and a mod man the only carb intakes for the new hemi?

Steff, is your car running yet? i'm looking foward to hearing how it runs




XV makes one, too

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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: patrick] #934403
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is that intake and a mod man the only carb intakes for the new hemi?

Steff, is your car running yet? i'm looking foward to hearing how it runs




XV makes one, too

http://www.xvmotorsports.com/products/de...es%20and%20More

http://www.xvmotorsports.com/products/de...es%20and%20More




not quite as bad a$$ looking as the one steff has


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: 540challenger] #934404
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Really LOL.I don't think they run my test cells do they? You said production tune.Maybe you need to do some research.


Maybe you should learn to read i said the last one for the production tune was over 500HP but didn't pass emissions thus the mellow tune. Production is reference to the 6.4L as there is a production verison and a crate form 2 different beast.. Thus the reasoning for having to state production. like i said do your research there buddy. Its clear you haven't been following these great threads on the new hemi if you have doubts ask a questions. You coming out quoting me being plan rude for about somehting you have no clue about just leads to

Sorry guys for derailing this thread i placed him on my ingnore list so i don't cont. with this useless stuff

Also i used the search function i was mistaken

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6304209&Main=6304197





I said there was no production cal at 500 h.p. That is all I said.No need to get upset.

As far as the intake compatibilty I should have added an aftermarket controller would be needed.


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: MattW] #934405
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Much as I like the Gen 3, don't forget the discontinued
59 degree W9 also flowed 300 out of the box and had potential above and beyond that.

But comparing an aftermarket race head to a dirt cheap OE production head ain't exactly fair

As far as the block taking it goes, there is a reason MP built the 392 at std bore, and it was not out of laziness. Don't bore it. It will surprise you.



They need to start racing these things in roundy round cars then I think people would start buying. Matt




Penske has done their research on them years ago and asked permission from NASCAR to use it and they said No. gotta love that [/quote

Never mind the big leagues go with grass root get enough demand and .......

So if the new srt 8 is using the 5.7 Me thinks the 6.1 is on the chopping block.
Hey ZIPPY PLEASEEEEEE ask them to turn the 6.1 into a siameses bore block before they they scrap it. Matt




Now I read that the 2011 srt 8 challenger is using the 6.1 block and not the 5.7 as I previously stated.
With a 4.09 bore I don't think the 5.7 block could handle it.
It is also coming with roller rockets. I like to see the part# and pricing on them. Matt

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Ralph Gilles (Dodge CEO) said the 6.4L was very capable of making 500HP but torque would suffer (per the engineers), so they did what they did to get 470 lb-ft out of it instead.

Its in here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdkgFBf4ZJk

Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934407
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is that intake and a mod man the only carb intakes for the new hemi?

Steff, is your car running yet? i'm looking foward to hearing how it runs




XV makes one, too

http://www.xvmotorsports.com/products/de...es%20and%20More

http://www.xvmotorsports.com/products/de...es%20and%20More




not quite as bad a$$ looking as the one steff has




but you don't need an 8" scoop to fit it


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: patrick] #934408
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so $499 for the heads and $3000 for rockers
that dollar cost averages to $3499 for a 700+hp set of heads...?
whats the dilema?
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I wouldnt even touch a set of adjustable rockers until they are needed. Stick with a hydraulic roller and use custom pushrods, then worry about the adjustable when you are making that big power number...

The LX cars have been making big hp for awhile with strokers and no adjustable rockers, I would wait for the aftermarket to catch up and hold out. Thats what I am going to do...


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: wldtm] #934410
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I wouldnt even touch a set of adjustable rockers until they are needed. Stick with a hydraulic roller and use custom pushrods, then worry about the adjustable when you are making that big power number...

The LX cars have been making big hp for awhile with strokers and no adjustable rockers, I would wait for the aftermarket to catch up and hold out. Thats what I am going to do...




Few questions for the Gen III experts. Sorry if these are rudimentary and covered elsewhere...:

- How much lift can the stock rockers handle?

- How much spring can the stock rockers handle?

- At what point do the stock rockers become unsuitable, a liability, and/or unstable?

- Can you sufficiently cam the engine to use the higher lift flow that is available and still use the stock rockers?

- Can the stock rockers handle .600+ lift?

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so $499 for the heads and $3000 for rockers
that dollar cost averages to $3499 for a 700+hp set of heads...?
whats the dilema?
cheapst




You know I was thinking the same thing. I am moaning about having no iron race block to play with. We do have the aluminum at 4000.00.
If they were to come out with an iron block it would probably be around the same price as an R3.
So yeah your R paying more but it is lighter and you can repair it. The heads are cheap and plentiful.
In the long run I THINK it would be cheaper than an R3 build.
Matt

Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: topbrent] #934412
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I wouldnt even touch a set of adjustable rockers until they are needed. Stick with a hydraulic roller and use custom pushrods, then worry about the adjustable when you are making that big power number...

The LX cars have been making big hp for awhile with strokers and no adjustable rockers, I would wait for the aftermarket to catch up and hold out. Thats what I am going to do...




Few questions for the Gen III experts. Sorry if these are rudimentary and covered elsewhere...:

- How much lift can the stock rockers handle?

- How much spring can the stock rockers handle?

- At what point do the stock rockers become unsuitable, a liability, and/or unstable?

- Can you sufficiently cam the engine to use the higher lift flow that is available and still use the stock rockers?

- Can the stock rockers handle .600+ lift?


The stock valve springs are 98#'s @1.77 (closed), and 242#'s @ 1.28 (open). Yes, the stock rockers and handle .600+ lift, many guys have been doing it for a long time. Manley makes direct replacment springs that will handle up to .650 and there are many companys out there making cams that will use all that lift.

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is there no way to tell what year these new hemi engine are? i have posted this question on lxforums, asked a friend at hhp. posted this question on here. i just cant believe they dont stamp a date on the engine somewhere


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is there no way to tell what year these new hemi engine are? i have posted this question on lxforums, asked a friend at hhp. posted this question on here. i just cant believe they don't stamp a date on the engine somewhere




Is your engine complete or you just have a block?

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is there no way to tell what year these new hemi engine are? i have posted this question on lxforums, asked a friend at hhp. posted this question on here. i just cant believe they don't stamp a date on the engine somewhere




Is your engine complete or you just have a block?




complete. but i still think if it was only a block there should be some way of telling a difference


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Re: New 5.7 hemi eagle head [Re: sixpackgut] #934416
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is there no way to tell what year these new hemi engine are? i have posted this question on lxforums, asked a friend at hhp. posted this question on here. i just cant believe they don't stamp a date on the engine somewhere




Is your engine complete or you just have a block?




complete. but i still think if it was only a block there should be some way of telling a difference




Ok try this above the oil pan passenger side should be a bunch of numbers. Let me know.

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