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Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? #923055 02/07/11 02:48 PM 02/07/11 02:48 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West 4 408strokerdart OP master
408strokerdart OP master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West	I see alot of people playing with the Gen III hemi nowadays, but nobody seems to be "building" serious engines. By serious, I mean something with the new MP Aluminum block, ported 6.4 heads, big solid roller, etc. This seems to be a package that could produce 850-900 HP at considerably less weight than a comparable small block (R3/W8 combo like mine). I just wish I were making that much steam though. I don't know alot about these engines, but was wondering why it seems most of these builds use hydraulic roller cams with modest lift/duration and stay in the 500 to 600 hp range. Anyone in the know on this?

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: 408strokerdart] #923056 02/07/11 02:56 PM 02/07/11 02:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 941 Texas, USA ChrgrCuda super stock
ChrgrCuda super stock Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 941 Texas, USA	Great question Brian. Very interested in seeing some input from some of the experts here. I may also be interested in a future build on this platform. 68 Cuda Notchback [Email]10.86@120[/Email] 69 Charger R/T 440/505 2009 Challenger SRT8

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: 408strokerdart] #923057 02/07/11 02:58 PM 02/07/11 02:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,070 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,070 S.E. Michigan	A couple things are preventing that right now: There aren't any off the shelf drop in solid roller lifters. There aren't any adjustable rocker arms for less than three thousand bucks (or however much the bling bling Jesel setup costs, because it's the only adjustable setup on the mkt). Take care of both of those things, and you're all set. A few years ago one of my cohorts created solid rollers using gutted OE lifters, using screws and nuts inside as lash adjusters, which worked nicely but it meant the heads had to be pulled to adjust lash It was best used as a tool for mockup or measuring/degreeing cams, not for running. Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: ZIPPY] #923058 02/07/11 03:19 PM 02/07/11 03:19 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West 4 408strokerdart OP master
408strokerdart OP master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West	Quote: A couple things are preventing that right now: There aren't any off the shelf drop in solid roller lifters. There aren't any adjustable rocker arms for less than three thousand bucks (or however much the bling bling Jesel setup costs, because it's the only adjustable setup on the mkt). Take care of both of those things, and you're all set. A few years ago one of my cohorts created solid rollers using gutted OE lifters, using screws and nuts inside as lash adjusters, which worked nicely but it meant the heads had to be pulled to adjust lash It was best used as a tool for mockup or measuring/degreeing cams, not for running. Ok, so what if someone used a set of Jesel keyway or the new Isky keyway lifters? Even if the big $$ rockers had to be employed....it could still be a very reasonable build. If you were going to build a 900 hp all aluminum big block it couldn't be done for less than about $20K.

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: 408strokerdart] #923059 02/07/11 03:21 PM 02/07/11 03:21 PM
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408strokerdart OP master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West	BTW Zippy, The lifters seem to be the big reason I see others stating as the issue as well. Just trying to get some facts together. If we could get more people building these the cost of the high end parts would come down.

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: 408strokerdart] #923060 02/07/11 03:31 PM 02/07/11 03:31 PM
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mopardad pro stock M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,510 Manheim PA.	I'm quite sure there are several power adder G3 Hemis at that HP level using hydraulic rollers/non adjustable valvetrain

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: mopardad] #923061 02/07/11 03:36 PM 02/07/11 03:36 PM
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408strokerdart OP master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West	Quote: I'm quite sure there are several power adder G3 Hemis at that HP level using hydraulic rollers/non adjustable valvetrain I was specifically talking about N/A engines, but I am sure you are right...

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: mopardad] #923062 02/07/11 03:41 PM 02/07/11 03:41 PM
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340RICK master 3 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,998 GO BUCKS !!!!!!!	I have seen that Arrington is making a rocker arm set up for the new HEMIS. Great minds think alike Brian I have been thinking the same thing with the solid roller lifters. Worse case you could bush the bores and run any lifter you want then. There are hundreds of sets of Nascar key ways forsale on the bag for cheap.

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: 408strokerdart] #923063 02/07/11 04:36 PM 02/07/11 04:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,070 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,070 S.E. Michigan	Quote: Ok, so what if someone used a set of Jesel keyway or the new Isky keyway lifters? Even if the big $$ rockers had to be employed....it could still be a very reasonable build. Might be possible, I just don't know anyone who has attempted it yet and told the tale. I do know that at this time, there are no off the shelf lifters sold for that intended purpose. No matter what, there are always "what ifs"....it might even be possible to machine (not just gut) OE lifters internally with a "step", and press in a pushrod seat disc similar to the way many of Comp's solid roller lifters are built....But again, if anyone has done it they aren't talking about it. When I started getting involved in Gen 3 buildups your thoughts were some of the first that crossed my mind, so I feel ya. Lately to me it seems that development might have to trickle down from super stock but maybe I'm incorrect in my thinking there. Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: ZIPPY] #923064 02/07/11 04:52 PM 02/07/11 04:52 PM
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justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,719 W. Kentucky	I'd like to do a street/strip gen 3 hemi, something 650-700 hp, n/a on pump gas. It would be a blast in my Dart.

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: 340RICK] #923065 02/07/11 05:00 PM 02/07/11 05:00 PM
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408strokerdart OP master 4 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,456 Out West	Quote: I have seen that Arrington is making a rocker arm set up for the new HEMIS. Great minds think alike Brian I have been thinking the same thing with the solid roller lifters. Worse case you could bush the bores and run any lifter you want then. There are hundreds of sets of Nascar key ways forsale on the bag for cheap. You are reading my mind Rick. Tons of lifters available if the lifter bores are bushed. Seems the block would lend itself to being bushed if I remember right. I went to the MP catalog online and read what it says about the aluminum block and it all sounded like a great platform.

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: 408strokerdart] #923066 02/07/11 05:37 PM 02/07/11 05:37 PM
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ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,070 S.E. Michigan	It really is a nice platform. I enjoyed racing the prototype Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: 408strokerdart] #923067 02/07/11 05:43 PM 02/07/11 05:43 PM
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ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,070 S.E. Michigan	Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: 340RICK] #923068 02/07/11 07:30 PM 02/07/11 07:30 PM
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STEFF master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,895 Smyrna, South Carolina	Quote: I have seen that Arrington is making a rocker arm set up for the new HEMIS. Non-Adjustable............... Harland Sharp has an adjustable rocker. http://www.streetlegaltv.com/news/new-pr...-harland-sharp/ Personally, I've never heard much good on Harland Sharp stuff. Here's a pic of the Jesel set-up. It requires completely machining out the stock rocker mounts & original spark plug tubes for their rocker mount. And, supposedly Jesel now has solid roller lifters for the 5.7/6.1 Hemi for SS. These are drop in lifters, no keyed bushings or machining. Just 16 lifters and 4 tie bars similar to the plastic pieces the factory used to hold the stock lifters.........$3200. Reading on another web site, Comp may be working on a solid roller lifter.

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: STEFF] #923069 02/07/11 08:48 PM 02/07/11 08:48 PM
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mr2performance super stock M Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 729 Lebanon,IN	We're having two built right now with Jesel keyway's and Rockers. Natural SS/IA '10 challenger 25.5 Pics soon. Mike MR2PERFORMANCE RACE CARS 765 483 9371

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: mr2performance] #923070 02/07/11 09:59 PM 02/07/11 09:59 PM
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cheapstreetdustr master Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,257 acworth / N. georgia - south e...	Zippy.. did you make that oil pan? its a rear sump where do i get a rear sump pu? i am doing a full race 09 hemi with 5.7 heads fwiw cheapst 365" Iron J heads,,3480lbs best 1.39 60ft on SS springs.10.54,124 mph ...6.67 1/8th et.average 60fts 1.46 w/ small cam &.063 no2 pill tagged & insured [image][/image]

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: cheapstreetdustr] #923071 02/07/11 10:17 PM 02/07/11 10:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,070 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,070 S.E. Michigan	Jim, no I didn't. I'm not that good. It's a Moroso pan and pickup, they probably don't catalog it, you have to call and ask for a drag pak pan for them to know what you want. Trucks have rear sump from the factory, but before you get any ideas about buying one to deepen/modify....don't waste any time on them. They're made from "quiet steel" (two layers of steel with plastic in between) and they make one hell of a mess when you try to weld them. Just trying to spare you some grief there. As said earlier, '09-up 5.7 aftermarket cam support is non-existant....maybe an innovator could come up with a workaround, but I have not seen anything except welded regrinds. Maybe that will change..... Gotta love those lifter and rocker arm prices Nice to see harland has finally jumped into it, would be interesting to check them out, thx for the tip steff. Wonder if they're available, or have just begun the marketing Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: Solid Roller Lifters Gen III Hemi? [Re: ZIPPY] #923072 02/08/11 12:33 AM 02/08/11 12:33 AM
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Stewart member S Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 125 Loganville, GA	Saw the Harland Sharp rockers at PRI. $1800 list and out shortly. Nice looking pieces. Jesel has a set of drop in solid lifters for the GenIII. Has alum retainers that look like the plastic factory ones. ready for this.....$3200. Don't know how much spring pressure the stock lifters can take but you can gut them and put a solid plug in them if $3200 is not in the budget, sure not in mine.

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