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Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum #916577 01/29/11 07:04 PM 01/29/11 07:04 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,031 Florida S StewartP OP Mopar Vintage Picture Guy
StewartP OP Mopar Vintage Picture Guy S Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,031 Florida	Sox and Martin 71 Cuda stalled at 450k Was this the car that sold for over 900k a year or so ago ? StewartP

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: StewartP] #916578 01/29/11 07:10 PM 01/29/11 07:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,505 DFW M mr_340 master
mr_340 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,505 DFW	It could be. The Ray Allen Chevelle that went for stupid money about five years ago sold last year for about a quarter of the previous selling price. I think the market has moved out of the stupid money realm and moved to a more realistic number. Floyd Lippencott IV

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: mr_340] #916579 01/29/11 09:47 PM 01/29/11 09:47 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,257 acworth / N. georgia - south e... cheapstreetdustr master
cheapstreetdustr master Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,257 acworth / N. georgia - south e...	ive always wondered if a $700,000.00 car (car A) purchased at auction... (car A) re-sells for a lower $500,000.00 price is that car stigmatized? over a car (car B) that say.. sold for the $700,000.00 figure at the same period as (car A)at auction but has yet to be put on a new auction...in this new climate.. so it hasnt had an official lower bid sale on its record... obviously the market has tappered.. but if it stabalizes... is the (car A)$500,000,00 car stigmatized ? cheapst 365" Iron J heads,,3480lbs best 1.39 60ft on SS springs.10.54,124 mph ...6.67 1/8th et.average 60fts 1.46 w/ small cam &.063 no2 pill tagged & insured [image][/image]

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: mr_340] #916580 01/29/11 09:49 PM 01/29/11 09:49 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	The hot ticket were the factory Race cars with some history and documentation. But now it looks like things have changed.Definitely prices are down all over the board.

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum #916581 01/29/11 09:51 PM 01/29/11 09:51 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,257 acworth / N. georgia - south e... cheapstreetdustr master
cheapstreetdustr master Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 6,257 acworth / N. georgia - south e...	except for trucks..they seem to be hot or movin in an upward price scale... cheapst 365" Iron J heads,,3480lbs best 1.39 60ft on SS springs.10.54,124 mph ...6.67 1/8th et.average 60fts 1.46 w/ small cam &.063 no2 pill tagged & insured [image][/image]

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: cheapstreetdustr] #916582 01/29/11 10:28 PM 01/29/11 10:28 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 109 Canada R restoracer member
restoracer member R Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 109 Canada	Anyone know how much the ex Bob Reed 68 cuda bid to,I know this is a mopar site but where the the Jenkins camaro stop at? Last edited by Hemitime68; 01/29/11 10:30 PM.

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: restoracer] #916583 01/29/11 10:55 PM 01/29/11 10:55 PM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 35 Virginia B BOSSHEMI member
BOSSHEMI member B Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 35 Virginia	Stalled at less than $100k and the reserve was less than $150k according to auctioneer.

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum #916584 01/30/11 06:10 AM 01/30/11 06:10 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: The hot ticket were the factory Race cars with some history and documentation. But now it looks like things have changed.Definitely prices are down all over the board. The old saying "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear" applies in some of these auction sales. In some cases shilling is done with the car's owner somehow involved. The reasons are many but why and how is strictly case related. The Pseudo twin MALLORY magneto ignition system in that Sox Cuda is 100% incorrect as is the drive they are mounted upon.. for more inaccuracy just check out the ridiculous and totally incorrect wire ends used in the cap . 6446441-FL0111-103897_5.jpg (369 downloads) home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: HEMIFRED] #916585 01/30/11 06:13 AM 01/30/11 06:13 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	this is the correct set up.You can see for yourself . there's a groove in base of that twin mount drive the Mecum car did not have 6446442-16plugprostockdistributer.jpg (387 downloads) home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: HEMIFRED] #916586 01/30/11 08:31 AM 01/30/11 08:31 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	also it's tunnel ram linkage is not a S&M product built in house but a modern one from Enderle. In reality it makes one wonder just how close the "restoration" comes to the one driven back then. home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: HEMIFRED] #916587 01/30/11 12:18 PM 01/30/11 12:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,217 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,217 Park Forest, IL	Quote: The old saying "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear" applies in some of these auction sales. In some cases shilling is done with the car's owner somehow involved. The reasons are many but why and how is strictly case related. As Glenn Frey said "Lot's of shady characters, lot's of dirty deals.". "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: slantzilla] #916588 01/30/11 12:57 PM 01/30/11 12:57 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,141 Phoenix,Az. H hemicop super stock
hemicop super stock H Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,141 Phoenix,Az.	Grant it, this is BIG money stuff, so everything should be there.But if the documentation is there, there's SUBSTANTIAL proof the car is genuine, I think to be fair to all something as minor as linkage can be accepted. Hey are, after all,30-50 year old racecars that have perhaps gone through a dozen owners or more, have been raced and/or rebuilt God knows how many times, so what would you expect? If I had the money, I'd have happily paid for the car & couldn't have cared less about the linkage...

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: HEMIFRED] #916589 01/30/11 01:07 PM 01/30/11 01:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,946 Windsor ,Ca. K Keith Richards master
Keith Richards master K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,946 Windsor ,Ca.	Quote: also it's tunnel ram linkage is not a S&M product built in house but a modern one from Enderle. In reality it makes one wonder just how close the "restoration" comes to the one driven back then. I was thinking the same thing watching it yesterday, I saw one of there cars at the R&R mopar yard in Missouri (inside of course) about 13 years ago and it looked like it was in original race condition from the day, that is how I would want it. The Grumpy Camaro was a no sale at $300k and the Grumpy Vega stopped at $200k IIRC. I think I overheard the cuda had to be at least $900k to sale. That is nuts!

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: Keith Richards] #916590 01/30/11 01:44 PM 01/30/11 01:44 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,293 Northeast, Alpine, NY 9 9 Sec Phill On a road near you
9 Sec Phill On a road near you 9 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,293 Northeast, Alpine, NY	Heres a pic of Buddy and me at the Russo Steele auction. 6446787-005.JPG (256 downloads)

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: 9 Sec Phill] #916591 01/30/11 04:31 PM 01/30/11 04:31 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	S&M LINKAGE home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: HEMIFRED] #916592 01/30/11 05:38 PM 01/30/11 05:38 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Actually just finished this one. It was an old Johan model kit from the mid seventy's that I had purchased about 20 years ago. In kit from it was worth about $100. Now that I have built it, it's probably worth $10 Couldn't resist doing it anyway. 6447116-sox&martin.jpg (435 downloads) Fastest 300

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: HEMIFRED] #916593 01/30/11 06:43 PM 01/30/11 06:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,116 Sacramento,California JRepucci master
JRepucci master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,116 Sacramento,California	Fred, this looks like S&M stuff! http://cgi.ebay.com/426-HEMI-TUNNEL-RAM-...=item1c18eb850c

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: HEMIFRED] #916594 01/30/11 08:06 PM 01/30/11 08:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,049 MN J JERICOGTX I Live Here
JERICOGTX I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,049 MN	The 71 car wasn't much left when it was restored. Heard it was a basket case to begin with. Finding old CORRECT race parts is harder then finding old resto parts. I could have sworn the 71 car had a rack and pinion mounted in the K member when I saw it a few years ago. must have changed it. 69 GTX 68 Road Runner

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: JRepucci] #916595 01/30/11 09:44 PM 01/30/11 09:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: Fred, this looks like S&M stuff! http://cgi.ebay.com/426-HEMI-TUNNEL-RAM-...=item1c18eb850c Looks like Sox and Martin stuff. ? Considering S&M had a huge parts department and an even larger base of customers They must have sold hundreds of intake & carb sets. But they could also be purchased elsewhere. During the first year or two of Pro Stock there were little if any choices for parts. 98% of the Mopars used that same Weiand tunnel ram. Direct Connection bulletins recommended it along with instructions for the proper jetting. The only other made was Edelbrock and few used it. . The linkage on that eBay link is an S&M product that was on the 98% also. The main reason is everyone followed what the factory boys said to use. Listen to them and buy the right parts and it would run like theirs did. home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

Re: Sox and Martin 71 Cuda P/S Mecum [Re: hemicop] #916596 01/30/11 10:00 PM 01/30/11 10:00 PM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY HEMIFRED master
HEMIFRED master Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 3,502 SOUTH JERSEY	Quote: Grant it, this is BIG money stuff, so everything should be there.But if the documentation is there, there's SUBSTANTIAL proof the car is genuine, Substantial proof ? would you care to explain exact what type of proof ? There is a member here that works for one of the largest collector car dealers in the world. He contacted Mecum on behalf of one of his customers and requested any documentation or paperwork validating the cars history.He was told they had nothing to show but what they were told by the seller to include in the advertisement.Nothing was there home of the Sox and Martin Hemi Duster

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