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Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #911393
01/24/11 11:39 AM
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OP said nothing about the engine needing to be NA, he just asked if it was possible.




The O/P you are referring to also is smart enough to know it can be done with forced induction.
Thanks though.
Keith

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #911394
01/24/11 12:03 PM
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OP said nothing about the engine needing to be NA, he just asked if it was possible.




The O/P you are referring to also is smart enough to know it can be done with forced induction.
Thanks though.
Keith




oh excuuuuse me then for being so dumb. I was just answering a question.

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #911395
01/24/11 12:57 PM
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Judging by what kind of numbers they have produced recently I bet Koffel's could get it to make 800+!

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #911396
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oh excuuuuse me then for being so dumb. I was just answering a question.




I guess after reading your post in the Q&A section last night,where the O/P asked about tuning a Carter or Edelbrock carb,and clearly stating he did not want to switch to a Holley,and reading your reply of "put a holley on it",you just got under my skin.
If you truly thought that Quicktree did not think it 800 hp with W5 heads could be done with forced induction,then I am man enough to apologize.
I just think people should be help if they think they can,not just blow smoke.
So if it is a misunderstanding,my sincere apologies.
Otherwise???
Keith

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: EasyG] #911397
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Whats the max cfm outa a set of W5s & the largest CSA? judging from the large port M1 someone was thinking big.

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #911398
01/24/11 01:11 PM
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oh excuuuuse me then for being so dumb. I was just answering a question.




I guess after reading your post in the Q&A section last night,where the O/P asked about tuning a Carter or Edelbrock carb,and clearly stating he did not want to switch to a Holley,and reading your reply of "put a holley on it",you just got under my skin.
If you truly thought that Quicktree did not think it 800 hp with W5 heads could be done with forced induction,then I am man enough to apologize.
I just think people should be help if they think they can,not just blow smoke.
So if it is a misunderstanding,my sincere apologies.
Otherwise???
Keith




that was a Joke to poke at RRJohn....

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #911399
01/24/11 05:41 PM
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??? buddy has a 392ci W5 headed SB w/ a turbo that makes about 1000. Ran his chassis TC3 on a test run (easing into it and feathering it) to a 9.19 @174. Has run 8.60's w/ only 9lbs of boost. don't know if he's made a full pass yet.




Ray is nuts running 174+ in that car LOL That has got to be a handfull, it was handfull when he ran it N/A. I'll have to take my turbo car down to Mason Dixon this year & check out his setup, he's told me about it, but I hav'nt seen it since he went forced induction.

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: emarine01] #911400
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Whats the max cfm outa a set of W5s & the largest CSA? judging from the large port M1 someone was thinking big.


So is 345 cfm it

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: emarine01] #911401
01/24/11 07:33 PM
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I think leaving a 14mm spark plug out is worth 12 cfm.


Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: S/ST 3040] #911402
01/24/11 07:45 PM
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As someone said earlier: Buyer beware. I THINK this is the guy involved in a "incident" involving heads sold, not paid for, and bricks in the same box returned to seller or something to that effect. Been talked up alot on that a-body forum and it has a link to the discussion over here.

Not to repeat gossip, but just want to see anyone get burned...

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: S/ST 3040] #911403
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I think leaving a 14mm spark plug out is worth 12 cfm.




So Vic....What else have you learned in the secret W5 project

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: emarine01] #911404
01/24/11 08:25 PM
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I've learned this..........(or decided)

When I'm done using OEM heads on my engines, I'll step past the W-5 heads.

I've sold nearly everything W-5 related. (except a nice pair of TTI A-body polished, ceramic headers.)

No secret W-5 R&D here. That picture was a MCH CNC W-5.

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: S/ST 3040] #911405
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I've learned this..........(or decided)

When I'm done using OEM heads on my engines, I'll step past the W-5 heads.

I've sold nearly everything W-5 related. (except a nice pair of TTI A-body polished, ceramic headers.)

No secret W-5 R&D here. That picture was a MCH CNC W-5.


That's what I was afraid of I thought you would squeeze some more outa 5s once you started playing around, but I see your point

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: emarine01] #911406
01/24/11 10:35 PM
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EBAY and RACING JUNK Seem to be topic of interest in w5s .Found this on racing junk .I'm asking alot of ?? but got a response to call to answer them .Anybody know this engine or person selling it ? Looks to be from a dirt car motor .How much of a upgrade from eddys to w5s which head don't know yet ?
Thanks DR


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Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: B3422W5] #911407
01/25/11 10:40 AM
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Not even anywhere near close.

My old " typical build" 422 W5 motor went 9.85 at 3400 pounds. That was on leafs and a very crude low buck suspension, so no help Et wise with anything exotic suspension wise. Take 700 pounds off that and ypou are what..9 teens??????




I will call BS on that one.
We don't race dynoes or hypothetical situations. In a perfect world you "might" have run those #'s but I HIGHLY doubt it. There is a lot more to tuning a combo then just subtracting weight. For example, my overachieving 555ci runs high 5.2x at 2850#. It only ran .13-.15 faster at 2400#. So your theory is bogus there. 100# = .1 does not always work. It just takes more effort in a sub 10sec car.
Your combo ran good for what it was, but like you said just a "typical build"

As you know I have a dyno sheet from a w5 built from 15 years ago that shows 741hp. I have no reason to believe it was not accurate. That motor went .99x 60' in a 23 Tbucket before I bought it. It was hurt multiple times and had cam swap. It ran a best of 9.08 @ 149 @ 2650# with a burned up pg and questionable convertor.
IIRC that showed 699hp on Wallace calculator which is only atool as it can not take into account all of the variables. No way to measure but I would guess at least 20-25% parasitic loss. Do the math...

All that said, I do believe the right builder could come close to 800hp in a max effort W5 build.

but who would want to??

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Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: S/ST 3040] #911408
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I think leaving a 14mm spark plug out is worth 12 cfm.






If you leave the valve out you can pick up another 40 or so.


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Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: fishy340] #911409
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Here's the challenger. Thanks for the compliment. The car works very well. Dyno numbers are 677 hp. very accurate and not inflated. Everyone, including me, likes to see a BIG HP number but its not all about that number. You need a car that works well with the combination you have. People don't believe that my car can run 9.0's with 677 H.P. yntil they see it run. The combo works well together:it is back halfed with ladder bars, magnumforce front end,glide, ford 9 inch and I don't scream it. I shift at 7,000 and go thru the traps at 7,400. Ryan J did the heads to the best they can be.HE is by far the best when it comes to W-5s. G&S Performance engines in New Jersey put it together

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Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: Guitar Jones] #911410
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This may be fuzzy memories on my part, but didn't Ritter-Webber run W5's 20yrs ago in Comp.

Seems like back then their Daytona ran 7.70's or so?

Dont know HP required to do that, but it had to be making some steam......


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Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: 340man4ever] #911411
01/25/11 01:46 PM
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This may be fuzzy memories on my part, but didn't Ritter-Webber run W5's 20yrs ago in Comp.

Seems like back then their Daytona ran 7.70's or so?

Dont know HP required to do that, but it had to be making some steam......




Ritter/Weber never ran W5's in a Comp car. Always ran some form of Diamond/Arrington head (they went through many sets of them, upgrading all the time). They had W5 & W7 logo on the hood scoop of the Daytona for advertising for MP, but never ran those heads on the car, that's straight form Kent Ritter's mouth.

Re: 800hp with W5s ????? [Re: S/ST 3040] #911412
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I've learned this..........(or decided)

When I'm done using OEM heads on my engines, I'll step past the W-5 heads.

I've sold nearly everything W-5 related. (except a nice pair of TTI A-body polished, ceramic headers.)

No secret W-5 R&D here. That picture was a MCH CNC W-5.




so there will be a real crazy W7 or better headed stock stroke 340 out there in the future?

back on topic: im not an expert but 800sounds like a stretch with W5s could be possible,but doubt it will ever be dupplicated.

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