Re: 800hp with W5s ?????
[Re: Dunnuck Racing]
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01/24/11 12:03 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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OP said nothing about the engine needing to be NA, he just asked if it was possible.
The O/P you are referring to also is smart enough to know it can be done with forced induction. Thanks though. Keith
oh excuuuuse me then for being so dumb. I was just answering a question.
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Re: 800hp with W5s ?????
[Re: Dunnuck Racing]
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01/24/11 01:11 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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oh excuuuuse me then for being so dumb. I was just answering a question.
I guess after reading your post in the Q&A section last night,where the O/P asked about tuning a Carter or Edelbrock carb,and clearly stating he did not want to switch to a Holley,and reading your reply of "put a holley on it",you just got under my skin. If you truly thought that Quicktree did not think it 800 hp with W5 heads could be done with forced induction,then I am man enough to apologize. I just think people should be help if they think they can,not just blow smoke. So if it is a misunderstanding,my sincere apologies. Otherwise??? Keith
that was a Joke to poke at RRJohn....
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Re: 800hp with W5s ?????
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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01/24/11 05:41 PM
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??? buddy has a 392ci W5 headed SB w/ a turbo that makes about 1000. Ran his chassis TC3 on a test run (easing into it and feathering it) to a 9.19 @174. Has run 8.60's w/ only 9lbs of boost. don't know if he's made a full pass yet.
Ray is nuts running 174+ in that car LOL That has got to be a handfull, it was handfull when he ran it N/A. I'll have to take my turbo car down to Mason Dixon this year & check out his setup, he's told me about it, but I hav'nt seen it since he went forced induction.
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Re: 800hp with W5s ?????
[Re: emarine01]
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01/24/11 07:19 PM
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Whats the max cfm outa a set of W5s & the largest CSA? judging from the large port M1 someone was thinking big.
So is 345 cfm it
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Re: 800hp with W5s ?????
[Re: S/ST 3040]
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I think leaving a 14mm spark plug out is worth 12 cfm.
So Vic....What else have you learned in the secret W5 project
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Re: 800hp with W5s ?????
[Re: S/ST 3040]
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01/24/11 08:33 PM
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I've learned this..........(or decided)
When I'm done using OEM heads on my engines, I'll step past the W-5 heads.
I've sold nearly everything W-5 related. (except a nice pair of TTI A-body polished, ceramic headers.)
No secret W-5 R&D here. That picture was a MCH CNC W-5.
That's what I was afraid of I thought you would squeeze some more outa 5s once you started playing around, but I see your point
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Re: 800hp with W5s ?????
[Re: emarine01]
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01/24/11 10:35 PM
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not to hijack thread EBAY and RACING JUNK Seem to be topic of interest in w5s .Found this on racing junk .I'm asking alot of ?? but got a response to call to answer them .Anybody know this engine or person selling it ? Looks to be from a dirt car motor .How much of a upgrade from eddys to w5s which head don't know yet ? Thanks DR
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Re: 800hp with W5s ?????
[Re: B3422W5]
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01/25/11 10:40 AM
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Not even anywhere near close.
My old " typical build" 422 W5 motor went 9.85 at 3400 pounds. That was on leafs and a very crude low buck suspension, so no help Et wise with anything exotic suspension wise. Take 700 pounds off that and ypou are what..9 teens??????
I will call BS on that one. We don't race dynoes or hypothetical situations. In a perfect world you "might" have run those #'s but I HIGHLY doubt it. There is a lot more to tuning a combo then just subtracting weight. For example, my overachieving 555ci runs high 5.2x at 2850#. It only ran .13-.15 faster at 2400#. So your theory is bogus there. 100# = .1 does not always work. It just takes more effort in a sub 10sec car. Your combo ran good for what it was, but like you said just a "typical build"
As you know I have a dyno sheet from a w5 built from 15 years ago that shows 741hp. I have no reason to believe it was not accurate. That motor went .99x 60' in a 23 Tbucket before I bought it. It was hurt multiple times and had cam swap. It ran a best of 9.08 @ 149 @ 2650# with a burned up pg and questionable convertor. IIRC that showed 699hp on Wallace calculator which is only atool as it can not take into account all of the variables. No way to measure but I would guess at least 20-25% parasitic loss. Do the math...
All that said, I do believe the right builder could come close to 800hp in a max effort W5 build.
but who would want to??
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Re: 800hp with W5s ?????
[Re: S/ST 3040]
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I think leaving a 14mm spark plug out is worth 12 cfm.
If you leave the valve out you can pick up another 40 or so.
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Re: 800hp with W5s ?????
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01/25/11 11:40 AM
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This may be fuzzy memories on my part, but didn't Ritter-Webber run W5's 20yrs ago in Comp. Seems like back then their Daytona ran 7.70's or so? Dont know HP required to do that, but it had to be making some steam......
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Re: 800hp with W5s ?????
[Re: 340man4ever]
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01/25/11 01:46 PM
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This may be fuzzy memories on my part, but didn't Ritter-Webber run W5's 20yrs ago in Comp.
Seems like back then their Daytona ran 7.70's or so?
Dont know HP required to do that, but it had to be making some steam......
Ritter/Weber never ran W5's in a Comp car. Always ran some form of Diamond/Arrington head (they went through many sets of them, upgrading all the time). They had W5 & W7 logo on the hood scoop of the Daytona for advertising for MP, but never ran those heads on the car, that's straight form Kent Ritter's mouth.
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Re: 800hp with W5s ?????
[Re: S/ST 3040]
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I've learned this..........(or decided)
When I'm done using OEM heads on my engines, I'll step past the W-5 heads.
I've sold nearly everything W-5 related. (except a nice pair of TTI A-body polished, ceramic headers.)
No secret W-5 R&D here. That picture was a MCH CNC W-5.
so there will be a real crazy W7 or better headed stock stroke 340 out there in the future?
back on topic: im not an expert but 800sounds like a stretch with W5s could be possible,but doubt it will ever be dupplicated.
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