Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
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leaving on the first yellow with a delay will have an advantage...and yes some footbrakers can do a good job...but round after round the delay box will be more consisted..
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
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If there is no cross over or cross talk that gives the advantage to the slowest guy. Clean tree.
i disagree just add the et difference to your delay and leave on the other bulb. poor mans crossover.
to respond to the op, the box will have some advantage, a real fast car would be hard to setup for bottom bulb imo
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
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A huge advantage. You can leave off the top bulb and add or subtract as needed to dial in your reaction time!
easier to make changes vs adjusting the car.
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
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IMO, it is a big help once you learn to work the tree. The potential (no guarantees) improvement comes from two areas: 1) Reacting to the top bulb (first flash), can be more consistant 2) Adjusting the total RT with a computer is easier and more consistant than adjusting the driver or the car with mechanical changes. So when you add those together, plus a good driver, the average RT of a delay box class is much better than without it. Roughly 0.010 vs 0.030 comparison, plus or minus. Your mileage may vary... Ask the track operator to average all the RTs from last years delay box class and the same for the non-delay box class. Then post the results. Even an average from one big race (7-9 rounds) should be enough to make the point.
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
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I have a friend who has been foot brake bracket racing for almost 20 years. His average reaction time is .02. He won the heritage series in the 10.60 class a couple of years ago and he won all but one race. Typically he dials his car in to run 10.58-10.59 and lifts if he is ahead. he also runs 2 classes one with a .4 tree and the other with a .5 tree. He change front tires from small to big to get his reaction time for each class. In this old man's opinion delay boxes are for people who won't or can't practice enough to get their reactions consistant
sorry but I have to call BS on a .02 average footbrake racing. been doing this deal for far more than 20 years and have never seen a delay box driver much less a footbrake driver with a .02 average. (edit) well maybe so I was thinking .002
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
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I was trying to get some support for a NO electronic quick 32, like transbrake/2step only, race. So let's hear what you think.
That is not a NO Electronics example. The transbrake and two step are both electronics. That is a common mistake. IMO, if you are going to put electronics in a car, put them all in.
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
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But I've also seen some local footbrakers hold their own in a box class (local level). Brian
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I have no fear of the guys with the boxes. I took a win home one night in a box class and for the final, the guy put my dial in, in his cross over, mine being the slower car with a 340 Cuda vs. a 468 powered Chevette...I tree'd him for the class win that night. They ran box and no box togather for whatever reason, and I weeded thru the whole class for the win.
In a quick 16 or quick 32, those guys use it for traction control off the launch a lot so they can have the throttle come in as the track will hold, so I am not so sure my opinion counts for weekly brackets...
If your on, your on, box or no box. Maybe the box is more consistant, but seat time will gain you that. You have to tweek some mechanical stuff, but I don't see a huge advantage to it if you know your car and where you react.
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: 440Jim]
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I was trying to get some support for a NO electronic quick 32, like transbrake/2step only, race. So let's hear what you think.
That is not a NO Electronics example. The transbrake and two step are both electronics. That is a common mistake. IMO, if you are going to put electronics in a car, put them all in.
Thats the difference... around here(this division) the trans brake isnt called electronics .... like said if you have a fast reacting car its HARD to split the last bulb after its out... with the box its MUCH better and a more consistent light
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
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i disagree just add the et difference to your delay and leave on the other bulb. poor mans crossover.
Alot of us carried calculators in 1985. lol That was part of the original reasoning for shading the tree. At least around here. It's not necessarally the driver that makes a good bottom bulb combo. If the car is off enough that conventional adjustments won't get it tight enough, the only recourse is to spend money. A small percentage of drivers have plain dumb luck with this, and get a reputation for being good, when in fact, their car driver fit was luck. Many, many more go home early.
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
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Thanks to those who have responded. I went through about a dozen different logbooks that were lent to me by box/no box racers. Approx. avg for a no box was a .028 and the box was .014. I don't know how tough the competition is in different parts of the country, but there are at least a dozen guys here that go CONSISTENT doube oooooo's. I consider myself a decent no box racer and if I go .020-.030 for 8-10 passes in a row before screwing up, I'm happy!! Myabe some magic footbrake guy can do better, fly'em out, I'll pay the expenses and let's go. LOL If delay boxes were not a HUGE advantage for consistency why do ALL super classes run them? Of the hundreds of big buck bracket races around the country I think I read about ONE being won by a footbrake racer. And as far as a transbrake and 2 step being an electronic devise, they have been par for the course out west for only 20-25 years or so. Even the street/sportsman/heavy class can run them. Sorry about the long post, and thanks again for the input.
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
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Thanks to those who have responded. I went through about a dozen different logbooks that were lent to me by box/no box racers. Approx. avg for a no box was a .028 and the box was .014. I don't know how tough the competition is in different parts of the country, but there are at least a dozen guys here that go CONSISTENT doube oooooo's. I consider myself a decent no box racer and if I go .020-.030 for 8-10 passes in a row before screwing up, I'm happy!! Myabe some magic footbrake guy can do better, fly'em out, I'll pay the expenses and let's go. LOL If delay boxes were not a HUGE advantage for consistency why do ALL super classes run them? Of the hundreds of big buck bracket races around the country I think I read about ONE being won by a footbrake racer. And as far as a transbrake and 2 step being an electronic devise, they have been par for the course out west for only 20-25 years or so. Even the street/sportsman/heavy class can run them. Sorry about the long post, and thanks again for the input.
like said the faster the car the more need for a delay box. they will go red leaving off the last bulb. thats why you see them more on super class and faster cars.
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