Carterbrock carb problems/questions
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I've run a number of Edelbrock and Weber built Carter carbs for lots of years never had much trouble with them until recently. So I guess I'm somewhat familiar with making these work, but lately I've had some problems that have me stumped.
Problem 1; Edelbrok 750. Idles fine, accelerates fine, got decent mileage and over all worked great for many years. Over the last summer it started to develop a part throttle, cruise rpm surge. This was at a somewhat fixed throttle position, high vacuum, cruise. It would happen in town at low mph , but steady throttle, or at highway speeds at steady throttle. I tried a friend's 650 and the problem went away, so it is something in the carb. I rebuilt it and the surge was not as bad, but still there. Finally got tired of it on a recent long trip and decided it was time to ditch it.
Problem #2 Carter 750. Tiring of the above conditions and its annoying cruising manners and increasingly bad highway mileage, I dug up an old AFB Comp series 750 I had. Rebuilt it, installed it and I can't get the thing to idle under 2000 rpm. Double checked throttle blades to ensure they are closed, check all possible vacuum ports to ensure they are closed, backed of idle rpm screw until it is not touching the lever and it won't idle down. It idles so high, I can screw the idle emixture screws all the way in and it doesn't change anything. Disconnected the power brakes to verify I don't have a massive leak in the diaphragm. I tried spraying starter fluid around potential vacuum leak sources and got no change in rpm, however, if I cover the primaries with my hand it will idle down where it should be.
So, thoughts on which carb to pursue a fix on and what fixes would you suggest. Or should I pitch them both and put one of my older 600s in the carb cleaning bucket and rebuild it instead. Oh, not interested in swapping to a Holley, but thanks for asking.
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Re: Carterbrock carb problems/questions
[Re: RapidRobert]
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01/23/11 01:07 AM
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I had a problem setting idle speed when I had the vacuum advance hooked to manifold vacuum. Not sure if you had all vacuum line disconnected and capped the ports, but it wouldn't hurt to check this if not. I also had the floats on my Ebrock develop pinholes and start sitting lower and lower. Can't remember the symptoms now, but if you pulled the float and shook it you'd hear the gas inside. Also, since it happens at cruise, you might want to make sure the bores for the metering rod pistons are smooth and clean, I've had them get get gunky and bind up the piston.
Just a couple of ideas off the top of my head.
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Re: Carterbrock carb problems/questions
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Carb #2 has rust/ junk in the idle passage.
Try removing the idle screws completely, spray carb cleaner in the hole and blow air into the idle screw hole with compressed air. replace screw and set idle.
Last edited by sthemi; 01/23/11 04:11 AM.
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Re: Carterbrock carb problems/questions
[Re: JohnRR]
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The edelbrock needs new springs or heavier ones. The springs are probably causing the metering rod to flux like a jackhammer. Do you have a strip kit for that carb? Well worth a couple extra bucks, and order the pump nozzels if you haven't tried fine tuning with those.
Last edited by Montclaire; 01/24/11 02:23 PM.
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Re: Carterbrock carb problems/questions
[Re: JohnRR]
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01/24/11 02:42 PM
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Get a holley and don't look back.
just for you John.
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Re: Carterbrock carb problems/questions
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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01/24/11 02:58 PM
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Get a holley and don't look back.
just for you John.
Lame post, yuck.
To the OP, loosen the screws that hold the covers on the rods and start the engine and make sure the rods are staying down at idle. That where to start. If not than you need weaker springs.
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Re: Carterbrock carb problems/questions
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Get a holley and don't look back.
just for you John.
Lame post, yuck.
To the OP, loosen the screws that hold the covers on the rods and start the engine and make sure the rods are staying down at idle. That where to start. If not than you need weaker springs.
Yeah I know it was early in the day. I'd check for some kind of vacuum leak on carb 2. And Sounds like carb 1 has a fuel delivery problem.... Junk/dirt in there somewhere. Had a simialr problem w/ a Eddy 750. Took it apart 3 times before it ran right. ended up swaping out the rods, fuel filter and fuel line from the sending unit to hard line. It was old and crusty...probably had some pin holes in it...
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Re: Carterbrock carb problems/questions
[Re: sthemi]
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01/25/11 12:10 PM
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Carb #2 has rust/ junk in the idle passage.
Try removing the idle screws completely, spray carb cleaner in the hole and blow air into the idle screw hole with compressed air. replace screw and set idle.
Tried this over the weekend and it seemed to help, at least initially. However, I didn't get the time to fully warm it up and drive it around to verify if this fixed it for good. Prognosis looks good right now though.
Yes, these carbs have been tuned in with different springs, rods, jets,and squirters that are not out of the box stock any more. However, I like the idea of checking the pull down springs while running. I've got a rather large collection of rods, jets, springs, and squirters to choose from.
Carb #1 is in the bucket soaking with a few gallons of cleaner. I wanted to make sure it was fully imersed this time around instead of doing half the carb one day and the other half the next. Perhaps a week in there will be sufficient to float out whatever grime may be hiding in some passageway. I might even head over to the local gun shop and pick up a cleaning kit so I can run some brushes through some of the passages.
Thanks for the suggestions so far.
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