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Do I have enough carb for my motor? #905981
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I have a 625cfm Carter AFB now. I borrowed a Holley 750 double pumper and it went from low 14's to low 13's. It pulled alot harder on the big end of the track. I was playing with the holley jets. I just wish the Carter was as easy to tune. I think the AFB should be enough carb, but the time increase says something else.

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Re: Do I have enough carb for my motor? [Re: 71valiant] #905982
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The AFB is a little small for that combo.
However, the AFB is MUCH easier for me to tune. I can have the jests and rods swapped out in just a few minutes and never spill any fuel.

I'll take the better street manners and economy of the AFB and give up the .000000001 second at the track you get with the Holley.


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Re: Do I have enough carb for my motor? [Re: feets] #905983
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The AFB is a little small for that combo.
However, the AFB is MUCH easier for me to tune. I can have the jests and rods swapped out in just a few minutes and never spill any fuel.

I'll take the better street manners and economy of the AFB and give up the .000000001 second at the track you get with the Holley.




Yeah, I hear ya. The AFB does run really well, idles great, starts easy.. I just could'nt believe the time difference. I guess I better get a metering rod and jet kit for the AFB. I have a race in a few months with a guy from work with a turbo honda at the Tulsa track. I need to get her running as well as she can!

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A larger AFB will make you happier on the street than a large Holley.
If you're concerned about this one race, borrow the Holley again.
If it's a quick turbo Honda, even the Holley won't help you. Some of those things are in the 11s.


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Re: Do I have enough carb for my motor? [Re: 71valiant] #905985
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I guess I better get a metering rod and jet kit for the AFB. I have a race in a few months


Check what size rods/jets your AFB has & order an eddy strip kit w sizes a slight bit richer than current. Can lighten the counterweight so the secs will come in sooner and can remove the boosters and narrow the horizontle leg part and can narrow the throttle shafts/screws if you want to experiment w what you have & yes the AFB's (& clones) have better street manners but I would borrow the Holley again when the time comes to kick his tail (& take his money)


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Re: Do I have enough carb for my motor? [Re: RapidRobert] #905986
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You really need to find an LM1 or some O2 sensor to put in there to check it out. Just richening it up may hurt performance. The 625 tuned correctly ought to be plenty for that combo. But you're asking a lot against a turbo, i've seen some of those guys at Tulsa and it will be tough no matter what you breath through.

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Just some kid at work. It's a stock civic with a a turbo. We've been talking [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] for about 2 years waiting for him to get it together. It's finally done. It's a friendly kind of thing, but I still wanna win. With a good carb and If I hook good I can get into the 12's I think. I've got close before. It should be a good race.


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You really need to find an LM1 or some O2 sensor to put in there to check it out. Just richening it up may hurt performance. The 625 tuned correctly ought to be plenty for that combo. But you're asking a lot against a turbo, i've seen some of those guys at Tulsa and it will be tough no matter what you breath through.



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I always wanted to try out a holley carb with the adjust-a-jet metering blocks. Seems like that would make tuning so nice. No jets or rods to dink around with. Probably not worth the $ but a nice tuning toy.

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The 625 is on the small side, & the 750dp is too much for a mild 360, a 650dp will work a whole lot better for your set-up, i took a basic stock (high mileaged) 360 with just bolt-ons in my 71 dart to 12.5 consistantly, it was so mild it would only pull to 5100 RPMs, now this was a magnum engine, if this honda is basically stock (with a turbo) you "should" take em, i won't say much more other then be awhare of these cars, they can go in the 11s quit easy & you won't see it coming till mid track .


75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU
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get a holley 700dp perfect.

Re: Do I have enough carb for my motor? [Re: joedust451] #905991
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Yeah my only hope is to get a good jump off the line and hope he blows the tires off of it. If it's close by half track im gonna be seeing his tail lights I'm sure. He had this new computer installed and they dyno'd it at 300hp. I'm hoping my 4:30 gears, suregrip and 10.5 inch micky slicks will work together that night!


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The 625 is on the small side, & the 750dp is too much for a mild 360, a 650dp will work a whole lot better for your set-up, i took a basic stock (high mileaged) 360 with just bolt-ons in my 71 dart to 12.5 consistantly, it was so mild it would only pull to 5100 RPMs, now this was a magnum engine, if this honda is basically stock (with a turbo) you "should" take em, i won't say much more other then be awhare of these cars, they can go in the 11s quit easy & you won't see it coming till mid track .



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Might have to hide a bottle of NOS


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Might have to hide a bottle of NOS




That was my next suggestion , never hurts.


75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU
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300 HP at the wheels in a civic is going to be hard to beat if he hooks up.

One of those weigh...2500 lbs or so & figure 2700 "race" weight unless he gutted it.

So that is a LOW 12 sec ride if he has all his ducks in a row.

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300 HP at the wheels in a civic is going to be hard to beat if he hooks up.

One of those weigh...2500 lbs or so & figure 2700 "race" weight unless he gutted it.

So that is a LOW 12 sec ride if he has all his ducks in a row.





Those civics are lighter then 2500 lbs. i'll garuantee you, they are light, even if its not 300 to the wheels, if its pushing 300 FWHP it'll run hard, i ran 12.5s with 280-290 RWHP at 3200 lbs., that civic is a good 800-900+ lbs. lighter then my 71 dart, so your looking at an 11 second car if he can leave good on the boost & hook up, basically a clean run.

Here at our local track there were 2 civics running 1 night, both local guys, I saw 1 run on 3 weekends, the 1 was a plain jane no thrills, his best time was 11.5 @ 117 & none were clean runs, the other was a little "monster", it was in a sence "no thrills" looking, i know the guy personally, he has a local car lot, Its a single turbo, He could never get off a clean run, he mowed down just about everything at the track 1 night LOL, car only made 10.4s best ET, but the MPH was 138-142 , this car was tagged too.

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75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU
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Get the Honda guy to do a bunch of dry burnouts that will FIX the transaxle and axle's By the way the Holleys will be faster then the Carter period when done right I used to be a total carter guy with several modified Carters to boot still, but its hard to argue with et difference between the two carbs The secret to Holley is not to over jet them as often done by so called tuners

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Nope.... 750DP w/ 28 squirtters, 72-78's and It'll get it done.


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Nope.... 750DP w/ 28 squirtters, 72-78's and It'll get it done.




I disagree, not for any mild 360, its just too much carb

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75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU
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Ran my fastest times with mild 360 and heavy body 750dp jetted similar to above a 650 gives me more 60ft 1/8 mile time

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I run a holly 700 on my similar 360.

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