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68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 #905255
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It has begun,


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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905256
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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905257
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Any other details on the specs of the car, motor, etc?

Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: TheOtherDodge] #905258
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Any other details on the specs of the car, motor, etc?



Yup!!

383 that I had was cracked so I went with a 1975 400 Bored .060. No worries, the machinist sonic checked all the cylinders and all after the final hone was over 100. Excellent block due to NO core shift!! Seems to be more beef in it.

Diamond Racing pistons from a fellow member here includes pins, locks and moly rings. Eagle ESP H-beam forged rods(stock length). Stock 1965 383 forged steel crank. Steel main girdle from 440 source(block line honed with girdle installed). Clevite77 hp series main & rod inserts. Scott Brown cam with a 545 lift 240 dur @ .50 and 112 lobe seperation(Scott said it would be a good fit). 906 heads mildly ported(Will get the Eddy's later) with 2.14 int 1.88 exh valves,hyd lifters.

383 torker with holley 850 setup as a blow-thru... Rear power valve will be boost referenced per Holley. Per their website.

Turbo is a Borg/Warner T6 S480 80mm with the upgraded 1.10 A/R exh housing and .83 wheel to spool faster. Good for 1050 HP. After all the research this is what I and the turbo builder decided on using. Should be well into boost at 2800rpm up to 6200. 5" DP down to the bellhousing area and split to two 3.5" pipes and race bullits out to the back.

50mm Godspeed blow-off valve and 50mm Godspeed wastegate. All the hotside piping is 3" mandrel bent pipe. I am building the Log headers right now which are 1 7/8" primary into the 3" log. Cold side is 3" aluminum out of the turbo into a 31"x11"x3" intercooler into a 4" bonnet.

Fuel system is Aeromotive A1000 pump, A1000 boost reference requlator and Aeromotive Pump controller. All -8an from sump(stock tank is new) to regulator then -6an to the carb.

MSD 6AL pigged with the MSD Boost Master retarder.

It's a shame that I had to cut the inner fender but at least I wasn't the first. Had fenderwell headers at one time and the holes were patched. No big deal!! AMD makes them, LoL!

Running this all through a 833 4 speed. 3.55's are in the 8 3/4 but I will be changing them to 2.73's. Turbos like "Load"...

My pops is building a "Beefy" set of Home built Cal-tracs. Nice setup!!

Should be making 800-850 Hp at 8-10 lbs boost, If I decide to turn up the wick it should see 1000+ at 14-16 lbs. I highly doubt there will be a need for that! LoL!!

I sure hope it turns out to be the beast that was figured on paper!!
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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905259
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More of the build is here,

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=119353

Its long! While your there check out Mad Darts twin Dart build! Nice setup too!


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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905260
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Sounds like a good build! However, if you could use the room, 5" DP is wayyyy over kill. 4" is plenty.

EDIT: I read your link to get the info I was questioning...

Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: TheOtherDodge] #905261
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Yeah,
I had questioned why on TTF and I was told that if it was meant to have a 4" the flange would have been 4"...
Before all is said and done I more than likely will need to convert from the Holley to MSII. Its a real PITA to tune a blow-thru carb. This was supposed to be a budget build. Already over $5000.. If it weren't for the total suspension rebuild due to the disc brake conversion I would be well under the budget. Buuuut, I prefer a good foundation for what I expect from this setup and want to be able to stop! LoL! When I get it running I plan on taking it out to Sealy and see what she does.


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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905262
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When building your manifolds keep the log no larger than necessary. When a small primary dumps into the big pipe velocity will drop. A 3" log may be a bit large.


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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: feets] #905263
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When building your manifolds keep the log no larger than necessary. When a small primary dumps into the big pipe velocity will drop. A 3" log may be a bit large.




Yeah,
I have been asking the same question about using the 3" for the entire hot side and was assured it would be fine. My pops and I were throwing around words about the velocity being affected.
I was thinking that since it had a bottleneck at the T6 flange the velocity would be increased due to that .


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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: TheOtherDodge] #905264
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Sounds like a good build! However, if you could use the room, 5" DP is wayyyy over kill. 4" is plenty.

EDIT: I read your link to get the info I was questioning...





I disagree, I logged back pressure and seen a near 1:1 ratio with my s475/5inch down pipe.... It's all about pressure differential....

Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: Wilde Racing] #905265
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Sounds like a good build! However, if you could use the room, 5" DP is wayyyy over kill. 4" is plenty.

EDIT: I read your link to get the info I was questioning...





I disagree, I logged back pressure and seen a near 1:1 ratio with my s475/5inch down pipe.... It's all about pressure differential....




This is basically what I was told,

All else being equal, _The amount of work that can be done across an exhaust turbine is determined by the pressure differential at the inlet and outlet_ (in English, raise the turbo inlet pressure, lower the outlet pressure, or both, and you make more power) Pressure is heat, heat is pressure.

Raising the inlet pressure is possible, but tough. Lowering the outlet pressure is easy - just bolt on a bigger, free flowing exhaust. I've seen a couple of posts from people who added aftermarket exhausts, who report "my turbo spools up faster now" Well, that's because by lowering the outlet pressure, you increased the pressure differential, and now the exhaust gas can expand more, and do more work. That increased work pushes harder on your turbo, and it spools up faster. You should also see less boost drop at redline, because if an exhaust system is flow-limited, once you pass the flow limit of the system, any additional gasses you try and force through it only raise the outlet pressure. Higher outlet pressure, lower pressure differential, less work, less boost.

[Note that the compressor side comes into play here too - that's another story]


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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905266
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I was thinking that since it had a bottleneck at the T6 flange the velocity would be increased due to that .




Make the exhaust no larger than the turbine inliet flange. It will reduce turbulence in the manifolds.


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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: feets] #905267
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I was thinking that since it had a bottleneck at the T6 flange the velocity would be increased due to that .




Make the exhaust no larger than the turbine inliet flange. It will reduce turbulence in the manifolds.




The inner opening of the flange is quite a bit larger than the 3" pipe that I am using. The two 3" pipes merge just below this flange. The right side exhaust log/header will be quite a mess but is needed due to the spark plug configuration. Left side will be pretty easy.


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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905268
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Worked on it a little today. Here is the T6 flange setup with 2 threes merging,

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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905269
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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905270
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Got a half a day in these. They ain't very pretty but I think they will do the job. I was concerned about the top pipes angle into the log but it is what it is!! That very first hole may be an issue too. But it will all fit under the stock hood, even with the 5" DP. I can get to all the header nuts and sparkplugs either from the bottom or through holes in the apron. Still need a bit more time in the square end at the flange.

Anyhow here are a few pics of the pipeline facility!!

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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905271
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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905272
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Are you going to do anything to protect the pipe from burning threw?

Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: Wilde Racing] #905273
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Are you going to do anything to protect the pipe from burning threw?




It is .067 Aluminized exhaust pipe. I wouldn't think it should burn through. I will be coating them and then wrapping them with DEI wrap and silicone.
The header kit came from JEGS and is the same type piping. Who knows!! It might burn through.


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Re: 68 383 Formula S now 411" B with Borg/Warner S480 [Re: CUUDAK] #905274
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My logs were made from the same stuff and I have issues with cracks.


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