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Re: ss/ah vs Ford and GM
[Re: robnbird]
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01/14/11 01:48 AM
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Yes, most definitely. I hate to see them separated even though there still very cool to watch. The problem is that NHRA doesn't want to take the time to properly police each combo to keep parity. I also don't know how many drivers would be up for the possible arguments for weight breaks/additions to keep parity. But in the end, seeing OEM's battle it out for the crown is better than just seeing the Hemi's fight it out on their own. Not to mention that manufacturer's willingness to sponsor such an OEM would probably increase. I think it would be good for Super Stock and the fans.
But at this point the real question is what would it take to get Ford Thunderbolts and Chevy Corvettes in the 8.20's cause I'm sure none of the Hemi guys want to slow down or revert back to cross ram manifolds. And how would you get NHRA to go for it?
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Re: ss/ah vs Ford and GM
[Re: Adrielp]
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01/14/11 01:58 AM
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I think you can allready see this. Watch super stock at any race. There will be a couple HEMI's and tons of everything else. I love it when SS/AH runs, you only see the HEMI's. There are so few of them, that its a treat when they run. But i like your thought, it would be different. 
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Re: ss/ah vs Ford and GM
[Re: JERICOGTX]
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01/14/11 11:03 AM
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They were all together when it was SS/AA... The Fords and GM's didn't really have anything for them. What rules have the AH cars been "given"? What apply's to the AH cars applies to any other Super Stock car.
Now if you are talking about adding the new Cobra Jet Mustangs in to play, that opens up another can of worms...
I agree.
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Re: ss/ah vs Ford and GM
[Re: robnbird]
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01/14/11 11:30 AM
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Very true, only a couple have the mega motors. But i know of a couple people who race there HEMI's every chance they get. 1 would be Lil Joe Teuton. He usaully brings atleast 2 with him. And he trys to do all of his division. Bucky Hess goes to a couple races, HEll he won a national event last year. The true people who want to race these cars do. But there are others that want to throw money at them. 
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Re: ss/ah vs Ford and GM
[Re: robnbird]
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 In 1968 the ss/aa or ss/a ran probaoly around 10.ish.The heads today are completely ported. 4 link differential 50,000ish exotic suspensions. $3000 clutch set ups. look at the intakes, 10,000 rpm motors. Its time to bring on the competition. get the 68 ford and gm car let them use the 50 lb cranks the 900 lift cam'. will the hemis still win? I think so but it will be exciting to watch. take a show like this with say 32 car field around and people will go watch. Just SS by itself is no more than ET racing. 
So you think all of the mod's you mentioned are not allowed for the rest of the super stock ranks?
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Re: ss/ah vs Ford and GM
[Re: robnbird]
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01/14/11 02:52 PM
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the corvettes and t bolts have all the same mods..... the t bolts have titanium valves and aluminum heads they can run as a replacement,, the corvette has aluminum heads as a replacement as well,, though both have some form of hp/weight hit for running the alum head combo
this is why ss/aa, ss/a, ss/ba, and ss/b were exciting to watch,, now with the new cobra jet mustangs,,, its over..
i know two guys who worked on their cobra jet mustang motors over wither,, put on a different fuel inj control from what ford had on it,, and then tuned it in on a dyno,, one made 1235hp, other made 1250hp with the right size pulleys and all... not the undriven pulleys ford delivers the cars with
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Re: ss/ah vs Ford and GM
[Re: moderncylinder]
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01/14/11 03:21 PM
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the corvettes and t bolts have all the same mods..... the t bolts have titanium valves and aluminum heads they can run as a replacement,, the corvette has aluminum heads as a replacement as well,, though both have some form of hp/weight hit for running the alum head combo
this is why ss/aa, ss/a, ss/ba, and ss/b were exciting to watch,, now with the new cobra jet mustangs,,, its over..
i know two guys who worked on their cobra jet mustang motors over wither,, put on a different fuel inj control from what ford had on it,, and then tuned it in on a dyno,, one made 1235hp, other made 1250hp with the right size pulleys and all... not the undriven pulleys ford delivers the cars with
Maybe it's time "the Chrysler Group" made something with forced air.
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Re: ss/ah vs Ford and GM
[Re: moderncylinder]
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Jeff at MCH, In your opinion, if NHRA allowed Jon Kaase Boss 429 heads as replacements and the same 2 carbs as the SS/AH cars, how would a 69 Mustang with a Boss 429 compare with the SS/AH cars?  Same sheetmetal intake, 4-link, clutchless Jerico/Liberty etc.
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Re: ss/ah vs Ford and GM
[Re: BOSSHEMI]
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01/14/11 06:39 PM
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id assume it would be close,,, you would have to either goto a guy who knows high rpm comp type motors to have him figure out the valve train and other parts,, or go through a learning curve like most of the hemi guys went through or are going through
the hemi class is alone and will be alone,, only 68 cars,, and there only 2 or 3 cars that really can win,, but guys break,, or spin tires,,, so there is hope... many guys are working this winter to try to pick up their programs,, so we will see what next year holds,, probably more of the same but with the pack being closer to the top
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Re: ss/ah vs Ford and GM
[Re: robnbird]
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01/14/11 07:25 PM
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It's agreat idera, but It'll never happen.  Assume for a second NHRA now allows Boss 429s & Zl-1 Camaros into SS/A (A). since evryone is now running "production" albeit highly modified heads you now have a similair situation to current P/S so what would be the point? Now to again balance things, I think you'd need to disallow some mods, like sheetmetal tunnel-ram intakes, 4-link rearends ---things like that & now you're starting to even things up BUT you now have the same problem that caused the SS/AH cars to have their own class in the first place. To make allowances for manufacturers shortcomings is nothing more than re-hashing old P/S days & back then it just depended what year it was as to which brand won---hardly worth it, IMO..........
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Re: ss/ah vs Ford and GM
[Re: BOSSHEMI]
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01/15/11 03:16 AM
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Jeff at MCH,
In your opinion, if NHRA allowed Jon Kaase Boss 429 heads as replacements and the same 2 carbs as the SS/AH cars, how would a 69 Mustang with a Boss 429 compare with the SS/AH cars? Same sheetmetal intake, 4-link, clutchless Jerico/Liberty etc.
Then let the Cudas and darts run Stage V millenium heads.. 
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OK, would you pay to see ford and GM 68 ss/a cars with the extended new modern rules compete with the SS/AH cars? 