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Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: MY340] #903002
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i have thru the years had guys tell
of this,, never seen it
someone would have tp personely
show me this one
so went out and checked every car i have
not a one shows any volts while running or
otherwise!!
i even went to my uncles house and checked out his stuff!!
guess what ???? OOOOO
nada, zelch,
as with mythbusters would say 'debunked'

Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: TrueTripleX] #903003
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Just out of curiosity. Which test lead are you probing the liquid in the radiator with? Positive on the battery and negative in the liquid? IMHO if this is the way you are checking, it will show 12v. The liquid is the grounding through the block to the negative side of the battery.

If you are testing with the negative test lead on the battery and the positive in the liquid and get 12v you have issues.

Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: justinp61] #903004
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Water is conductive. That's why you don't bathe with a plugged in hair drier.


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Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: feets] #903005
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REGULAR TAP water is conductive.
DI or distiled is not.

Coolant is not conductive either.

But depending on how old it is, it starts to pick up particals and becomes conductive.

So if you flush your system out per maintence standards, then you help to prevent this issue. But it will happen to some degree due to disolved solides. Just makes it worse if you fill your rad from a hose.

Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: Andrewh] #903006
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I know better than to argue with you about water and chemistry. Few people on Moparts have your level of expertise.
H2O has no charge and no desire to swap electrons. The same goes for ethel glycol. However, all the other crap in water is conductive. I'm not sure how many people use distilled water in their radiators.

Mixing tap water with coolant will become conductive easier than a distilled water and glycol mix.


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Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: MY340] #903007
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never had this problem myself,maybe cause I drive older junk with bigger problems

but i learned 2 things from this post

1) the anode thing a ma jig goes in the block or rad

2) dont buy any cars from AB&E






especially with #2




Thanks guys dont worry most of you live on the east coast can u say rust 3 times fast by the way the truck I was talking about is still for sale any takers great deal got it from my grandmother

Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: AB&E] #903008
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shucks..i was just kidding you

I get most of my cars from "sample auto sales BR-549" anyways


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Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: scratchnfotraction] #903009
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When I was working in the oil fields in Saudi Arabia we used what where sacrificial cathods to prevent the hot oil flowing through the pipe lines from building up an electrical charge and corrdong the pipelines.

Cathodic protection

Same thing happens in a radiator. I've seen several examples of this in engines, but have never heard how well it works. The Idea behind cathodic protection was to allow the electricity that was building up to go to ground with the sacrificial cathode taking the charge and corroding instead of the oil line. I know we used to stick a penny in the soft top of lead acid batteries and it would corrode intead of the terminals.

Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: Cudajon] #903010
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I am in the swimming pool business and we run into something similar. I've only seen it myself on jobs with salt water chlorination or really crappy tap water with lots of metals in it. We use sacrificial anodes to fight it. The ones we use have a bonding lug built in and you are supposed tie that in with the existing pool bonding wire (all pool shells, ladders, rails, and equipment that's metal are connected with a bonding wire)

Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: justinp61] #903011
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Just out of curiosity. Which test lead are you probing the liquid in the radiator with? Positive on the battery and negative in the liquid? IMHO if this is the way you are checking, it will show 12v. The liquid is the grounding through the block to the negative side of the battery.

If you are testing with the negative test lead on the battery and the positive in the liquid and get 12v you have issues.






Im, sure you dont have 12 volts running through the rad. They must of done the above, one lead to a positive and a ground to the water in the rad. Since your rad and water is grounded , you see 12.xx volts.

There can be electroalisis in rads, but not 12+ volts worth. mike

Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: Sport440] #903012
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I was always told to hang a grounding strap to the ground and let it drag as you drive to disapate the electric to the ground.

Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: JohnH] #903013
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Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: mcmopars] #903014
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wow, been around cars for 35 years and never heard or should i say has never happened to me or seen it,but to each his own.learn something new everyday



45 years here. Never heard of such a thing. But people buy ShamWows, too.

Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: TrueTripleX] #903015
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If you system is creating 12V, you have a new perpetual motion machine and free electricity. Start you car, run an inverter off it and power your electronics simply from the corrosion in your system.

A galvanic reaction is in the mV, not volts. I am not denying you have a problem, but I think the magnitude is wrong. I have never heard of this and I been messing with cars 30 years. I am a shade tree mechanic, not an expert, but I am a professional electrical engineer. You need to watch how the snake oil salesman is presenting the snake oil. Make sure he did not take the "oil" out of a rain barrel.......


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Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: Commando1] #903016
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ok guys antifreeze will change over time and become corrisive, cyle of heat /cold and age
thats why you are supposed to change youre fluid every 2 years or when ever ,
water does conduct elec ,
if you have 12 volts running thru you radiator ,,
FIX YOURE PROBLEM,
COLLANT DOESNT GENERATE ELECTRICITY!!
alluminum radiators , alluminim heads require , attention as to corosive types of antifreeze, and proper ph balance
as with desil motors same deal
it would be very usefull to use distilled water as it has little to no impuritys to break the antifreeze down you are using quicker,

Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: dennismopar73] #903017
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PURE water, DI water, distilled water DO NOT CONDUCT electricity.
New coolant out of a jug also does not conduct.


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ok guys antifreeze will change over time and become corrisive, cyle of heat /cold and age
thats why you are supposed to change youre fluid every 2 years or when ever ,
water does conduct elec ,
if you have 12 volts running thru you radiator ,,
FIX YOURE PROBLEM,
COLLANT DOESNT GENERATE ELECTRICITY!!
alluminum radiators , alluminim heads require , attention as to corosive types of antifreeze, and proper ph balance
as with desil motors same deal
it would be very usefull to use distilled water as it has little to no impuritys to break the antifreeze down you are using quicker,




Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: JohnH] #903018
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I was always told to hang a grounding strap to the ground and let it drag as you drive to disapate the electric to the ground.


I know alot of the old timers used to have those rubber/metal straps hanging down from their vehicles.. .I have'nt seen anyone do that with computor controlled vehicles....

Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: screamindriver] #903019
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Those straps were to kill static electricy caused by the old style tires. They had more carbon in the rubber and that caused a lot of static charge that would zap you when you touched the door handle.

Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: stumpy] #903020
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Those straps were to kill static electricy caused by the old style tires. They had more carbon in the rubber and that caused a lot of static charge that would zap you when you touched the door handle.




And sliding corderoy pants across vinyl seats also, Zap!


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Re: electricity in the radiator [Re: GO_Fish] #903021
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I just saw a 05-09 chebby truck with a rubber strip draging the ground tied to the hitch with a gronding bolt/washer deal and thought about that comment on this post

so yes i have seen it on newer trucks..only 1 but I thinking thats wat it was anyways

i know I used to have a 12 volt shock deal rigged up for dogs peeing on the rims and drug a ground strap for it

get out of the truck and flip a switch...zap the crap right out of them while peeing

dont take long to break them thats for sure

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